Quote:Good question! I also would like to get an objective recolection from anyone that went to Gabberts rookie mini camp. Was there anything that stood out at the time but maybe was just overlooked? Did Gabbert show qualities like "climbing the pocket" a la Bortles? Or was it just kind of meh? One thing I remember about Gabbert was that line drive he would throw. Just no arc to his passes. But I never thought it would always stay that way.
Gabbert looked raw at times, but he always looked better in practices when he knew he wasn't going to get pounded repeatedly.
Everything turned to crap for him when the red jersey came off.
Quote:Good question! I also would like to get an objective recolection from anyone that went to Gabberts rookie mini camp. Was there anything that stood out at the time but maybe was just overlooked? Did Gabbert show qualities like "climbing the pocket" a la Bortles? Or was it just kind of meh? One thing I remember about Gabbert was that line drive he would throw. Just no arc to his passes. But I never thought it would always stay that way.
We'll since you just had to ask....
This was a write up done by Pete Prisco right after Gabbert's first rookie practice. I cringe reading this entire thing so I'll give you just a paragraph or two. Feel free to read the rest by yourself
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15402181/gabbert-has-the-look-of-jacksonvilles-next-big-thing'>http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15402181/gabbert-has-the-look-of-jacksonvilles-next-big-thing</a>
Quote:What I saw on the Jacksonville Jaguars' practice field Thursday night from Gabbert, the team's top pick in the April draft, is like nothing I've witnessed on any of the Jaguars' practice fields in the 16 years they've been in existence.
Not from Mark Brunell. Not from Byron Leftwich, and not from Garrard.
What I saw on that practice field Thursday was a rookie quarterback who stood tall in the pocket, scanned the field, and made throws down the field with a big, strong arm.
He's also a guy who can improvise, seeing him several times get flushed out of the pocket, only to keep his eyes up for a chance to make a throw, which he did twice. As one Jaguars source said, "He does some of the things that Ben Roethlisberger does. He's a playmaker. He makes plays."
At 6-foot-5, Gabbert looks the part. He walks with a swagger. He seems to take over the huddle. In his short time here, he has already won over the hearts of the female fans in town, who seem to swoon over his shaggy, blonde hair and red cheeks.
Sound familiar?
Disclaimer : I'm not comparing the two QBs just showing how 1 single practice means absolutely nothing in terms of a successful career.
People have gotta stop comparing the two.. It's gonna drive them nuts.
Poor Pete.... I hope those eggs were scrambled....
IIRC Gabbert didn't have a rookie mini-camp. Didn't he just have regular training camp?
It's too soon to start worrying about similarities to our last... well I'd say 'Quarterback', but that'd be an awfully generous use of the term. So let's go with 'Position that likes the turf so much it became a favorite target for both the ball, and body.'.
Too early to celebrate any successes. Too early to predict failure too. Pre-season should be interesting at least.
Gabbert looked fine in practice.
He just became a total pansy when real bullets were flying.
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IIRC Gabbert didn't have a rookie mini-camp. Didn't he just have regular training camp?
It's too soon to start worrying about similarities to our last... well I'd say 'Quarterback', but that'd be an awfully generous use of the term. So let's go with 'Position that likes the turf so much it became a favorite target for both the ball, and body.'.
Too early to celebrate any successes. Too early to predict failure too. Pre-season should be interesting at least.
Yeah. Lockout year.
Gabby's gone....under the bridge and around the bend. That kind of pain is best forgotten (and not continuously dredged up).
Quote:Jerome Junior had a moment where he got the attention of the coaches on a quick out Morris intended to hit Storm on. Junior jumped the route and was able to bat the pass away.
Allen Robinson showed up well in several plays during the drill, including hauling in a pass from Morris on a skinny post that was slightly overthrown. Robinson was able to go up and get the pass and secure the ball in coverage.
A couple of things you really don’t want to have happen if you’re a workout rookie: fumble, or trip over your own feet with a lot of green space between you and the next defender. Beau Blakenship ran into trouble with both, fumbling a hand off that was perfectly delivered, then tripping on an end around where the yardage was there to generate a big play.
Interesting that this caught your attention. Both players made it to the next level. As someone that likes "underdog" type stories, I'll be watching these two. I would love to see either one eventually make the final roster and go on to be successful. I do know and understand that it's highly unlikely, but interesting to watch none the less.
Thanks Tim for yet another great write up.
Appreciate the above posters who answered my questions. Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to compare Bortles and Gabbert or even dredge up old bad memories. I was just curious if our last top 10 QB had similar impressions. I truly believe Bortles is far and away a better prospect than Gabbert. It's plain easy to look at the tape and see the qualities in bortles that come naturally. It's hard to teach a qb to step into the pocket and keep your eyes down field all while having an internal clock, feel for avoiding pressure the right way. Bortles seems to have it. Gabbert never did, but he got some nice praise early on and that's what I was curious about. Also if there were signs of trouble from Gabbert but may have been overlooked cause he was a shiny new QB.
Quote:We'll since you just had to ask....
This was a write up done by Pete Prisco right after Gabbert's first rookie practice. I cringe reading this entire thing so I'll give you just a paragraph or two. Feel free to read the rest by yourself
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15402181/gabbert-has-the-look-of-jacksonvilles-next-big-thing'>http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15402181/gabbert-has-the-look-of-jacksonvilles-next-big-thing</a>
Sound familiar?
Disclaimer : I'm not comparing the two QBs just showing how 1 single practice means absolutely nothing in terms of a successful career.
Yeah, I cringed. Blake Bortles showed us this in college though. Stepping up in the pocket. Outside of the pocket, he kept his eyes downfield, extending plays. Gabbert did come out of a gimmicky offense, in which he did not put up great numbers like chase Daniel did.
I don't care if he compares to Gabbert, Leaf, or Leftwich. You cannot win in this league consistently without an elite QB. You keep drafting QBs until you find an elite one. End of story. Just because your last GM missed you can't stop drafting a QB. It's the most important postion on the field. If Bortles flops you draft another one until you get it right.
There's nothing worse than standing behind a QB that's not going to get it done because your afraid to admit your pick didn't pan out. Example Leftwich, Stafford (to a lesser extent), Dalton.
Tampa actually let Glennon play and before committing to an average QB long term , decided to sign one to save their own careers.
So enjoy the Bortles ride.
Agreed. You can't fear drafting a QB, especially if you're a franchise that is still trying to identify your franchise guy.
Quote:Yeah, I cringed. Blake Bortles showed us this in college though. Stepping up in the pocket. Outside of the pocket, he kept his eyes downfield, extending plays. Gabbert did come out of a gimmicky offense, in which he did not put up great numbers like chase Daniel did.
What was obvious watching Bortles on Friday is that his first instinct when pressure starts to build up is he steps forward in the pocket. He doesn't get shorter, or look to get out of there like Gabbert did.
Quote:It is all physics.
Foot work offer a stable platform. Stabilization of Mechanics reduced wasted energy and improves accuracy
Mechanics are what transfer the energy to the ball.
Energy transferred is evident in velocity, Stabilization of Mechanics reduce margin of error.
Scelfo and Fisch are tickled teal to have this foundation to work with.
I'm guessing that Bradley, Caldwell and Khan are equally pleased.
HeadSlap
#DTWD
Quote:Ah I get it. I thought the footwork was more related to accuracy, it never occured to me that it was in fact something that can increase ball speed or distance. Cool. Thanks for explaining, I'm less concerned with the arm strength issue now...well, I'm hopeful that Blake's new mechanics will become second nature at least. ...
If you want an example of this for yourself, try punching a pad. When you first do it, just use the arm-shoulder combination and get a feel for how much power you are getting into that punch. Now for the second time, the side of your body that the fist is on, drive that foot into the ground and rotate that hip forward. You should notice that your shoulder follows your hip. So throw the second punch using your foot, through your leg, through your hip, to the shoulder, and ultimately to the fist.
See any difference? It's the same thing with throwing a football.
And as HeadSlap stated above, #DTWD
Quote:If you want an example of this for yourself, try punching a pad. When you first do it, just use the arm-shoulder combination and get a feel for how much power you are getting into that punch. Now for the second time, the side of your body that the fist is on, drive that foot into the ground and rotate that hip forward. You should notice that your shoulder follows your hip. So throw the second punch using your foot, through your leg, through your hip, to the shoulder, and ultimately to the fist.
See any difference? It's the same thing with throwing a football.
And as HeadSlap stated above, #DTWD
Pad never did anything to me, why would I want to punch him?
Quote:Pad never did anything to me, why would I want to punch him?
what kinda pad we talking about here?
Quote:What was obvious watching Bortles on Friday is that his first instinct when pressure starts to build up is he steps forward in the pocket. He doesn't get shorter, or look to get out of there like Gabbert did.
I think he will definitely show that in live action. Good to hear
Quote:Pad never did anything to me, why would I want to punch him?
Oh, he did something all right. Something
bad.
Quote:what kinda pad we talking about here?
The naughty kind.
Quote:I think he will definitely show that in live action. Good to hear
It's going to be a while before we get to see this for ourselves, but I'm confident he'll be fine.