Am I the only person that thinks this a terrible move?
They gave up probably 2 top 10 picks for this guy, now if the Jags had done this I'd expect him to be a HoF level talent.
He's a good football player but is Watkins really that great to be worth 2 (probable) 10 top picks?
He had a suspension in college relating to weed which is a red flag straight away for me, so his talent level must be on the level of Megatron for them to do this.
Of course it was a terrible move.
I wish we could have got the deal they gave Cleveland.
At the time, I thought I wish we had done the deal. But honestly....I'm cool with what we ended up and it's hard to complain about anything that happened this weekend. I am no fan of moving up but Caldwell used the extra picks as leverage to fill needs. We basically used Mike Thomas and Blaine Gabbert to get players we wanted.
As for the Bills, their GM is coming off as clueless.
Your definitely not the only one who thinks this is a terrible move. As a Lions fan, I'm thankfully it was the Bills that made this trade with pick # 9, not the Lions with pick # 10.
While I think Sammy Watkins is a low character risk because of the strong family support he receives, the truth of the matter is he doesn't have the physical ability to be another Calvin Johnson. The size element speaks for itself. Watkins should develop into a high caliber WR that goes to multiple Pro Bowls. But not to the point that you can risk giving up pick # 9, AND future 1st and 4th Round picks for him. When you trade future 1st Round picks, you are playing with football fire.
What amazes me is that 2 picks before Watkins trade, the St. Louis Rams were on the clock with Pick # 2 as a result of the Redskins paying a future king ransom for the rights to RGIII. How could the Bills not see the damage that was caused to the Redskins by them losing pick # 2 in a future draft!
Quote:Your definitely not the only one who thinks this is a terrible move. As a Lions fan, I'm thankfully it was the Bills that made this trade with pick # 9, not the Lions with pick # 10.
While I think Sammy Watkins is a low character risk because of the strong family support he receives, the truth of the matter is he doesn't have the physical ability to be another Calvin Johnson. The size element speaks for itself. Watkins should develop into a high caliber WR that goes to multiple Pro Bowls. But not to the point that you can risk giving up pick # 9, AND future 1st and 4th Round picks for him. When you trade future 1st Round picks, you are playing with football fire.
What amazes me is that 2 picks before Watkins trade, the St. Louis Rams were on the clock with Pick # 2 as a result of the Redskins paying a future king ransom for the rights to RGIII. How could the Bills not see the damage that was caused to the Redskins by them losing pick # 2 in a future draft!
Even if he had Calvin Johnson potential, that's a bad trade.
3rd year in the league Johnson is worth two firsts rookie Johnson wasn't, no rookie other than a once in a generation QB is worth two firsts.
Agree with all of the above, especially with how deep this wr class was. I mean, look at the Jags 2nd round picks...
Quote:Of course it was a terrible move.
I wish we could have got the deal they gave Cleveland.
I think teams are just more likely to trade their picks to Cleveland. It just happens too often for me to think otherwise.
I think we miss out on our QB if we take that trade. Though getting that trade AND our QB would have been awesome. But I think the Bills were less willing to part with a 1st to a competent organization. It's why they wouldn't trade up with the Rams to make sure we didn't get Sammy first.
I like Watkins as a player and as a fit for their offense.
I just think trading up, giving up a #1 next year in a position that is tremendously deep in this draft and a relative strength on your team was dumb.
Overall, I like what Buffalo did.
Just not the trade up for Watkins.
Buffalo obviously think they're close to a superbowl run.
They are obviously very confident in EJ Manuel.
I think they made a horrible trade, and I love Sammy Watkins as a player.
If Sammy was a DIII player, it would have the makings of a Gene Smith move. *zing
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In Gene We Trust Approved move. I tell you the longer Gene is gone, the better I feel. Ugh 2 years of wasted support for his awful picks.
If we didn't draft Bortles, Cleveland would have never made the move because they would have taken him.
It was a boneheaded move due to the depth at WR they were presented with in the draft. But, there are a few front offices you can count on to make suspect moves like this, and Buffalo happens to be one of them.
Quote:I think teams are just more likely to trade their picks to Cleveland. It just happens too often for me to think otherwise.
I think we miss out on our QB if we take that trade. Though getting that trade AND our QB would have been awesome. But I think the Bills were less willing to part with a 1st to a competent organization. It's why they wouldn't trade up with the Rams to make sure we didn't get Sammy first.
Yeah, you could be right....especially considering the whispers of other teams that had Bortles rated very high. Even if the expected suspects (Cleveland, Oakland or Minnesota) didn't select Bortles, there was still the possibility of another team in the back trading UP to one of the spots before 9.
Quote:If we didn't draft Bortles, Cleveland would have never made the move because they would have taken him.
I'm not sure of that but, either way, the Jags were probably better off just not chancing it. This isn't a "losing out on some DT" situation, this could have meant losing out on your franchise QB. The stakes were much higher.
Me personally? I might have chanced it anyway, since I am high on Bridgewater....but then again, maybe not, because Bridge had a decent chance to be drafted within the top 8.
They could've stayed put and Beckham or Cooks, not sure why it was Watkins or bust.
This would've been a good move for a team that felt that they were 1 player away, but I don't get how they could be thinking this. How are they even comfortable if Manual is gonna be the answer long term?
Its why they're the Bills..... ^^^
They seem to do this stuff almost every other year, at least.
Quote:They could've stayed put and Beckham or Cooks, not sure why it was Watkins or bust.
This would've been a good move for a team that felt that they were 1 player away, but I don't get how they could be thinking this. How are they even comfortable if Manual is gonna be the answer long term?
They were more than likely trying to make a big splash in the first draft without their owner above ground.
Quote:Even if he had Calvin Johnson potential, that's a bad trade.
3rd year in the league Johnson is worth two firsts rookie Johnson wasn't, no rookie other than a once in a generation QB is worth two firsts.
While I disagree with you, I respect your point of view as in the vast majority of cases 1st Round picks should be treated like gold.
Quote:If we didn't draft Bortles, Cleveland would have never made the move because they would have taken him.
While I did project the Browns taking Blake Bortles with pick # 4 in my Mock Draft, what more than anything makes it difficult to predict what the Browns would have done is they have an owner that seems very hands on with key football decisions. Jimmy Haslam seems like a loose cannon type of owner. Even with all of the high draft picks and overall draft picks the Browns have had already and currently have in 2015, it wouldn't be surprising in the least if the pieces don't end up fitting. In essence, the parts being greater than the sum. With yet another regime change a realistic possibility in the next couple of years.
Id prefer Ebron + top 15 player next year than only Sammy. So yeah it was a dumb move.