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Quote:Good enough that some other team offers us a mid-round pick for him after the season.

 

Okay, in other words Swaguars is as off the deep end as I figured he is.

Not only will he test drive the new offensive weapons; Henne will also get to play guinea pig for Watt/Clowney.

Now I just feel bad for him UCONNjagsfan...LOL

You almost WANT Henne to play well this year.  It gives you options moving forward.  He's under contract for 2 years.  If he plays well enough, he could wind up having some trade value. 

Quote:You almost WANT Henne to play well this year.  It gives you options moving forward.  He's under contract for 2 years.  If he plays well enough, he could wind up having some trade value. 

 

And how well do you realistically think he (a 30 year old QB) needs to play in order for a team to give up anything for him?

 

A career year for him would be an 80 passer rating and one more passing TD than he has interceptions.

 

Seriously, it's great to dream about watching the Jaguars play and not feeling nauseous for the first time in years, but Henne would have to play at a level that he's never shown any indication he can get close to for teams to start thinking they need him.

Quote:You almost WANT Henne to play well this year.  It gives you options moving forward.  He's under contract for 2 years.  If he plays well enough, he could wind up having some trade value. 

 

I want Henne to play well.  I wanted him to play well last year too.  I also want to win the lottery.  I want Coke to bring back Surge.  And when I buy something that requires assembly, I want them to include instructions that are easily understood.


It'd be great if Henne somehow clicked.  But just like those other things, I'm not expecting it.  I don't think that Henne has it in him.  I'd love for him to -- because I've got nothing against the guy.  He's a Jag. 

I think he could put up close to 4,000 yards and 20 TDs ( he wasn't that far of last year) a lot of its gonna depend on how these rookies adapt.

Quote:I think he could put up close to 4,000 yards and 20 TDs ( he wasn't that far of last year) a lot of its gonna depend on how these rookies adapt.

If the games aren't competitive you might be right.

 

If the games are competitive he won't be able to get the garbage time yards and scores.

 

I see the games being more competitive this year overall, and I don't see Henne getting 20 TDs, probably closer to his career average, about 1 TD per start, along with an equal number of INTs and 200 or so yards per start.

Quote:If the games aren't competitive you might be right.


If the games are competitive he won't be able to get the garbage time yards and scores.


I see the games being more competitive this year overall, and I don't see Henne getting 20 TDs, probably closer to his career average, about 1 TD per start, along with an equal number of INTs and 200 or so yards per start.

I don't really buy into all that garbage time crap.. I understand the premise but I'm not buying it.

Quote:I don't really buy into all that garbage time crap.. I understand the premise but I'm not buying it.

 

You don't have to buy it, you can look at the stats on NFL.com. He got a lot more yards at the end of uncompetitive games than he got at any other time. However, if you don't want to expend the effort to look it up then no need to argue about it.

If the OL plays at least up to 65% of their potential, Henne has a chance.

Quote:You don't have to buy it, you can look at the stats on NFL.com. He got a lot more yards at the end of uncompetitive games than he got at any other time. However, if you don't want to expend the effort to look it up then no need to argue about it.

It's the idea of garbage time some of us disagree with. Players still have to make plays. NFL defenses don't suddenly stop playing just because the point spread reaches a certain point. If anything, trying to play catch up increases the turn over risk.

Quote:You don't have to buy it, you can look at the stats on NFL.com. He got a lot more yards at the end of uncompetitive games than he got at any other time. However, if you don't want to expend the effort to look it up then no need to argue about it.

I just don't believe teams play anyless competitive especially if its younger guys playing for a roster spot. I'm not saying there is not a statistical correlation there but correlation does not always equal causation.  Plus if it was a rookie or someone highly valued playing in the 4th in a similar situation I doubt anyone would call it garbage time but rather they'd attribute it to the rookie playing well. Just my two cents.

Quote:I know we got all these weapons for Bortles but Hennes going to get to test dirve them

And I'm okay with that!

Quote:It's the idea of garbage time some of us disagree with. Players still have to make plays. NFL defenses don't suddenly stop playing just because the point spread reaches a certain point. If anything, trying to play catch up increases the turn over risk.

 

Teams that have a win secured definitely don't play the same as teams that are competing for the game, still.

 

It's a natural effect, when your actions don't have an impact on an outcome, you don't put the same effort in.

 

It's the same psychological effect used to justify capitalism over socialism. When the outcome will be the same regardless of whether you're risking an ACL injury or just letting a guy catch it and herding him out of bounds people tend to take the perceived safer route.

 

Of course anyone impartial can see this in effect in games every week. Short passes that early in the game go for a loss suddenly start going for 6 or 7 yard gains when the game's outcome is decided as defenses play off and just worry about keeping things in front of them. It's where Henne made his bread and butter last year, padding the stats at the ends of games that were already decided.

Quote:Teams that have a win secured definitely don't play the same as teams that are competing for the game, still.


It's a natural effect, when your actions don't have an impact on an outcome, you don't put the same effort in.


It's the same psychological effect used to justify capitalism over socialism. When the outcome will be the same regardless of whether you're risking an ACL injury or just letting a guy catch it and herding him out of bounds people tend to take the perceived safer route.


Of course anyone impartial can see this in effect in games every week. Short passes that early in the game go for a loss suddenly start going for 6 or 7 yard gains when the game's outcome is decided as defenses play off and just worry about keeping things in front of them. It's where Henne made his bread and butter last year, padding the stats at the ends of games that were already decided.

So it follows that the teams that lose by the largest margins should have the best stats, since they are the ones most commonly playing in "garbage time".

Maybe if he suddenly becomes somebody not named Chad Henne.  Prolly not though.

Quote:So it follows that the teams that lose by the largest margins should have the best stats, since they are the ones most commonly playing in "garbage time".

 

No, it follows teams that are uncompetitive will appear to be at their most competitive when the game is out of reach.

 

You think Henne had the best stats? No, he just had HIS best stats when the outcome was decided and the other team didn't care as much.

Quote:And how well do you realistically think he (a 30 year old QB) needs to play in order for a team to give up anything for him?

 

A career year for him would be an 80 passer rating and one more passing TD than he has interceptions.

 

Seriously, it's great to dream about watching the Jaguars play and not feeling nauseous for the first time in years, but Henne would have to play at a level that he's never shown any indication he can get close to for teams to start thinking they need him.

 

We shall see.  I think given the right situation with the tools to succeed, Henne can certainly improve his value significantly.  I'm not suggesting anyone is going to trade a bounty of picks to get him as their starter, but there are teams out there who might be interested in tossing a draft pick our way to secure him as a backup if he does well this year. 

 

If the line is fixed, and the additions to the receiving corps prove to be beneficial, Henne can indeed have a career year.  We've had this debate before, but the main point has always been that during his career, Henne has never had any sort of stability in his situation until now.  I'm not predicting he becomes a top tier QB, but I feel confident he can set personal marks that would make him an option to trade.  Or, at least it would give us the confidence to know there wouldn't be a massive drop off if he has to step back in for Bortles.

Quote:I know we got all these weapons for Bortles but Hennes going to get to test dirve them

 

Kind of like buying your kid a Camaro when he is 15.  Obviously someone has to drive the car for the first year...

 

I was actually going to start a topic about Henne looking better this year.  Second year in the system, a bunch of new weapons to throw to.  Heck, if we are lucky maybe one of these receivers will be able to catch a timing pass.  That will be better than every single receiver that Smith drafted.  I love Shorts but at times seeing him get hit in the grill with the ball because he was not looking at the QB when it was thrown is annoying.

 

All in all it was a solid draft.  Can't wait for the season.