Quote:And you're basing this on what, exactly? The fact that you really, really want him to?
Several factors:
1-He has one of, if not the cleanest pocket mechanics for a quarterback out of this draft class. 3 step drop, 7 step drop, stepping up into the pocket, keeping eyes downfield when under pressure, etc. all the things that Manziel and Bortles are said to need work on, and even Teddy to some degree, Savage already has. What he needs to work on is throwing balls into tight coverage too often and making better decisions when under pressure, which can be easier to coach than mechanics depending on the QB. His accuracy is also solid at all levels.
2-Savage didn't have a great 2013 season mainly due to rust, not poor play. It was his first full season in a long time because of the NCAA transfer rules. So he hasn't had the desired playing time, which is the only real reason he's considered a "project" and why his name essentially became an unknown before the final month into the draft. He finished very strong in 2013 however and had 11 touchdowns to only three interceptions in his last none games.
3-in terms of toughness and the ability to stay poised when under constant pressure, Savage is probably the only one that compares to Teddy in that regard. Other than his freshman year he has proven to be quite durable and gets up from a big hit like nothing happened. He's also able to throw accurately while on the run.
So no, I'm not saying he will definitely be better than any QB from this class or rather if I did that's not what I meant. I'm saying he has just as much of a solid chance as Manziel, Mettenberger, Bortles, McCarron and most guys. I like Bortles and think he will be good for you guys, but Savage is not some complete nobody who only got recognized because of his arm and size. He fits the exact mold of what O'Brien looks for in a QB, and at basically the fifth round he's a great value pick. So the Texans did well not reaching for a QB too high.
Quote:You tell us bobizzle! Glad you're here to set everyone straight about a 4th round draft pick.
So what exactly is your point about him being a fourth round pick? The only two QB's you could argue who are definitely better is Teddy and maybe Bortles.
Do some research and you would know that.
Quote:So what exactly is your point about him being a fourth round pick? The only two QB's you could argue who are definitely better is Teddy and maybe Bortles.
Do some research and you would know that.
Dude, lighten up.
Quote:Several factors:
1-He has one of, if not the cleanest pocket mechanics for a quarterback out of this draft class. 3 step drop, 7 step drop, stepping up into the pocket, keeping eyes downfield when under pressure, etc. all the things that Manziel and Bortles are said to need work on, and even Teddy to some degree, Savage already has. What he needs to work on is throwing balls into tight coverage too often and making better decisions when under pressure, which can be easier to coach than mechanics depending on the QB. His accuracy is also solid at all levels.
2-Savage didn't have a great 2013 season mainly due to rust, not poor play. It was his first full season in a long time because of the NCAA transfer rules. So he hasn't had the desired playing time, which is the only real reason he's considered a "project" and why his name essentially became an unknown before the final month into the draft. He finished very strong in 2013 however and had 11 touchdowns to only three interceptions in his last none games.
3-in terms of toughness and the ability to stay poised when under constant pressure, Savage is probably the only one that compares to Teddy in that regard. Other than his freshman year he has proven to be quite durable and gets up from a big hit like nothing happened. He's also able to throw accurately while on the run.
So no, I'm not saying he will definitely be better than any QB from this class or rather if I did that's not what I meant. I'm saying he has just as much of a solid chance as Manziel, Mettenberger, Bortles, McCarron and most guys. I like Bortles and think he will be good for you guys, but Savage is not some complete nobody who only got recognized because of his arm and size. He fits the exact mold of what O'Brien looks for in a QB, and at basically the fifth round he's a great value pick. So the Texans did well not reaching for a QB too high.
welp, you guys better book your superbowl hotels right now
Quote:Dude, lighten up.
I don't mean to come off real aggressive, I am a Texan fan but I also try not to be super biased towards my team. I was mainly addressing the guys who come off as super homers.
I think the Jaguars could be a surprise team this coming season though. I think it's possible both the Jags and Texans could have an 8-8 or 9-7 season.
Quote:Savage could develop into something good. Of course he could also be Sage Rosenfels. I like the pick.
Same here.
The key is when the Texans were able to select Tom Savage. The potential reward is much higher than the risk. They were able to address 4 other positions in the draft before taking Savage in Round 4. While Savage has a long way to go in his development, I'm surprised he lasted well into Round 4. I thought he was going to end up with Houston at the top of Round 3. In the last two drafts, many QB's have lasted much longer than would have been the case earlier this decade and in the years prior to that.
I too thought Savage would be taken no lower than the 3rd. Houston got good value, and he has a chance to develop into a decent starter.
Savage could be good.
I disagree though with any question about Bortles toughness, staying calm under pressure and keeping his eyes downfield.
Someone posted a stat in another thread that out of all the hall of fame qbs only 10 have been drafted after the 14th pick of the draft in the history of the NFL. I'm not knocking the value of the pick which was very good where Savage was selected but Russell Wilson has messed up everyone idea of striking gold in later rounds. Each late round qb is different and falls for different reasons.
Russell the best qb period coming out in 2011 even a more polished passer than Andrew Luck. Better mechanics and a stronger arm. The reason he fell was soley due to his height. Had he been 6'3-6'4 he would have gone before the top Luck am RG3.
Savage is different. He does not have the sound mechanics and accuracy. He makes poor decisions as well. These are issues that caused Jevan Snead to go from top 10 pick to in drafted. Decision making is the key. This is not an issue that is not easily fixed because it is how the individual processes and assess information and under pressure it is intensified even more.
It's all a crap shoot at the end of the day so maybe Savage can be good but the odds are not in his favor. He fell for a reason and is are fans may never really know. Tin horns need to lower their expectations of the guy because he really is a guy who rose up the boards due to his measurables and that is it.
The best 4th round QB of the last 20 years was probably Garrard. Behind him there was Kyle Orton. The rest of the bunch is pretty pathetic. I agree with the earlier poster that if Houston can get Garrard like production out of Savage it will be a great pick. Of course, just because you are drafted in the 4th doesn't mean you are destined to be like the other 4th round QBs.
At least he is a pro style QB and not trying to change his style of play. That should help.
I'm not going to try guessing how successful Savage will be in the NFL. There are good arguments to be made for both sides, but, when he steps foot on the field and plays a couple of games, therein will we get our answer. In my opinion, success in college doesn't always equal success in the NFL. A lot of it depends on supporting cast (team), coaching, and ability to learn. That being said, Savage has come into a good situation in Houston. The deciding factor of his success will be his ability to learn.
Quote:The only two QB's you could argue who are definitely better is Teddy and maybe Bortles.
You can throw Manziel in there too, and there's no "maybe" with Bortles, too many QB needy teams passed on Savage, that alone should tell you something.
at least tom savage will be better production to draft position value than clowney.
Quote:at least tom savage will be better production to draft position value than clowney.
If Clowney doesn't live up to his potential. If he does...he will be a big boost to the rest of the defensive unit. Maybe not 1st pick worthy....but time will tell.
Not too concerned with Clowney. We drafted Joeckel last year for guys like JD Clowney.
Quote:Several factors:
1-He has one of, if not the cleanest pocket mechanics for a quarterback out of this draft class. 3 step drop, 7 step drop, stepping up into the pocket, keeping eyes downfield when under pressure, etc. all the things that Manziel and Bortles are said to need work on, and even Teddy to some degree, Savage already has. What he needs to work on is throwing balls into tight coverage too often and making better decisions when under pressure, which can be easier to coach than mechanics depending on the QB. His accuracy is also solid at all levels.
2-Savage didn't have a great 2013 season mainly due to rust, not poor play. It was his first full season in a long time because of the NCAA transfer rules. So he hasn't had the desired playing time, which is the only real reason he's considered a "project" and why his name essentially became an unknown before the final month into the draft. He finished very strong in 2013 however and had 11 touchdowns to only three interceptions in his last none games.
3-in terms of toughness and the ability to stay poised when under constant pressure, Savage is probably the only one that compares to Teddy in that regard. Other than his freshman year he has proven to be quite durable and gets up from a big hit like nothing happened. He's also able to throw accurately while on the run.
So no, I'm not saying he will definitely be better than any QB from this class or rather if I did that's not what I meant. I'm saying he has just as much of a solid chance as Manziel, Mettenberger, Bortles, McCarron and most guys. I like Bortles and think he will be good for you guys, but Savage is not some complete nobody who only got recognized because of his arm and size. He fits the exact mold of what O'Brien looks for in a QB, and at basically the fifth round he's a great value pick. So the Texans did well not reaching for a QB too high.
How about his accuracy?.... :whistling:
Quote:Not too concerned with Clowney. We drafted Joeckel last year for guys like JD Clowney.
Oh, I thought he was drafted for Watt.
We may need a RT too... Welp.
Quote:Oh, I thought he was drafted for Watt.
We may need a RT too... Welp.
we played Watt 2x/ last year without Joeckel and won...
Although he's good, it's not like he dominated the game. We did fine blocking Watt with Austin Pasztor.
I'm not too concerned with him getting a sack every now and then.
Quote:The best 4th round QB of the last 20 years was probably Garrard. Behind him there was Kyle Orton. The rest of the bunch is pretty pathetic. I agree with the earlier poster that if Houston can get Garrard like production out of Savage it will be a great pick. Of course, just because you are drafted in the 4th doesn't mean you are destined to be like the other 4th round QBs.
At least he is a pro style QB and not trying to change his style of play. That should help.
Now that you mention it, he does remind me a bit of Orton.
He's got an NFL arm. They showed their offense could work with a Schaub, so they could certainly work with Savage.