Quote:Yes, this is apparently a new genre. I couldn't get into the 2nd season of The Leftovers. If you tell me it's worth it I'll give it another go as we have the same taste in movies and TV.
Also, I just saw where Stranger Things S2 is be in July. !!! I just hope they don't screw it up.
Season 2 was wonky, but OK. I don't think I liked it as much as season 1, but still good. I've not watched ANY of season 3 though.
PUMPED for S2 of Stranger Things!
Quote:Haha I echo all your sentiments.
Can we talk spoilers in here?
Yeah, I think only 3 of us have watched it. haha
Quote:Haha I echo all your sentiments.
Can we talk spoilers in here?
I saw a good theory and one that actually would hold up if they did a season 2. The group of 5 in her current life are the same 5 from her captured days, but they're in a different dimension.
Alternate dimension Theory:
Homer and French are both jocks who provide for their families (Homer for his son, French for his mother and brothers) and who have identical cuts on their foreheads; we even see Homer's reflection when French stares in the mirror. Buck (a singer) passes
a car crash with a red backpack in the road, similar to how Rachel (also a singer) described the accident that caused her NDE to Prairie (as Reddit user phargmin points out). Jesse is a stoner outcast with no parental guidance in his life, just like Scott, who says he has no one in his life he even wants to tell about his captivity. Betty is an older woman who enjoys the company of younger men, just like Renata. (The only question mark is Steve; is he somehow the alternate version of Hap? Or of Prairie herself?) It is even specifically mentioned that inter-dimensional travel would cause amnesia, explaining how none of these people remember who they really are and why Prairie doesn't seem to recognize them.
Quote:A new genre. Uhh shows without climax. HBO and Showtime and to some extent netflix have completely ruined a lot of scripted television for me. like you said I really hope they don't screw up Stranger Things. Not a whole lot to watch this time of year.
I guess at this point I just watch it for entertainment and take it as it comes. If I want to know what happens I'll watch Blue Bloods or Hawaii 5-0. Stranger Things was an exceptional show and I will be very disappointed if they screw up S2. That almost happened with Bloodline. S1 was outstanding, S2 was okay. The saving grace of S2 for me was watching everything implode the way it did and how the stand up, by the book character of John was completely dismantled by trying to 'do the right thing' for his family.
Quote:I saw a good theory and one that actually would hold up if they did a season 2. The group of 5 in her current life are the same 5 from her captured days, but they're in a different dimension.
Alternate dimension Theory:
Homer and French are both jocks who provide for their families (Homer for his son, French for his mother and brothers) and who have identical cuts on their foreheads; we even see Homer's reflection when French stares in the mirror. Buck (a singer) passes [/size]
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOA/comments/5iwuo3/spoilers_alfonso_and_buck/dbc47vx/'>a car crash with a red backpack</a> in the road, similar to how Rachel (also a singer) described the accident that caused her NDE to Prairie (as Reddit user phargmin points out). Jesse is a stoner outcast with no parental guidance in his life, just like Scott, who says he has no one in his life he even wants to tell about his captivity. Betty is an older woman who enjoys the company of younger men, just like Renata. (The only question mark is Steve; is he somehow the alternate version of Hap? Or of Prairie herself?) It is even specifically mentioned that inter-dimensional travel would cause amnesia, explaining how none of these people remember who they really are and why Prairie doesn't seem to recognize them.[/size]
I like it! So you're on the it really happened side? She's wasn't just Soze-ing everybody?
Quote:A new genre. Uhh shows without climax. HBO and Showtime and to some extent netflix have completely ruined a lot of scripted television for me. like you said I really hope they don't screw up Stranger Things. Not a whole lot to watch this time of year.
They stopped a mass shooting, that's the climax.
I thought she may be schizophrenic and they are all versions of the same story depending on where she thinks she is. Or she's trying to recreate the 'family' she had wherever it is she was for seven years. I definitely think there is an element of mental disorder regardless.
Quote:They stopped a mass shooting, that's the climax.
I hate to admit this, but I almost cried when they started the movements to distract the shooter. There's something about that
absolute belief they had that they could actually make a difference. That really got to me.
Quote:I like it! So you're on the it really happened side? She's wasn't just Soze-ing everybody?
I think I really want that crazy story to be true, so yes. I do love a good twist, but that one made me feel duped.
Quote:I hate to admit this, but I almost cried when they started the movements to distract the shooter. There's something about that absolute belief they had that they could actually make a difference. That really got to me.
The teacher doing the funky chicken/movements made me smile.
Quote:I thought she may be schizophrenic and they are all versions of the same story depending on where she thinks she is. Or she's trying to recreate the 'family' she had wherever it is she was for seven years. I definitely think there is an element of mental disorder regardless.
She's definitely cray, whether it happened or not.
Quote:They stopped a mass shooting, that's the climax.
about half the show took place in captivity of a cell with interesting characters, an entire episode was spent in cuba abducting another interesting character. There was a larger relationship going on between the dr and the experiment and homer and OA. All the talked about was escape and rescuing homer and the others. All the building of how they are going to save them then bam interpretative dance to stop a shooter?
They took the most interesting part of the show and made it a sub plot that didn't get resolved.
Quote:She's definitely cray, whether it happened or not.
idk you look at the facts of the story. She was born with sight then trama happened and she lost sight. Thats a fact.
Was her blindness a result of PTSD and just a mental block vs a physical issue?
she disappeared for 7 years and comes back with eye sight. Thats a fact.
First episode she youtubes Homer and smiles when she sees him. In the same room there is an unopened amazon box.
Last episode we are lead to believe she fabricated those people by the box of books in her room that is now opened
So if she fabricated Homer why is the box with the Homer book in it unopened.
She has marking all over her from captivity
if she is in fact crazy, she predicted the mass shooting anyway. She is not an unreliable narrator, we know this because she says she left a note, the dad never sees it until the mom finally shows it to him.
I just don't see how you spend so much time developing a story then just say o she's crazy now lets use her crazy dance lessons to stop a mass shooting we just throw in out of no where.
To me it was like they wrote themselves into a corner, didn't know how to get out, then decided to just throw a twist with a couple throwaway dialogues mixed in.
Quote:about half the show took place in captivity of a cell with interesting characters, an entire episode was spent in cuba abducting another interesting character. There was a larger relationship going on between the dr and the experiment and homer and OA. All the talked about was escape and rescuing homer and the others. All the building of how they are going to save them then bam interpretative dance to stop a shooter?
They took the most interesting part of the show and made it a sub plot that didn't get resolved.
lol I know what you mean, I'm just sayin'.
Quote:lol I know what you mean, I'm just sayin'.
haha sorry to rant. Just to build it up soo much and then.... aggravating.
Quote:To me it was like they wrote themselves into a corner, didn't know how to get out, then decided to just throw a twist with a couple throwaway dialogues mixed in.
I definitely think they did. But I still think she's crazy and that's it's an interesting story. I don't take anything from Brit Marling and Zal Batmanglij too seriously. Have you seen some of their other work? I like it but don't hold my breath for any resolutions.
Quote:idk you look at the facts of the story. She was born with sight then trama happened and she lost sight. Thats a fact.
Was her blindness a result of PTSD and just a mental block vs a physical issue?
she disappeared for 7 years and comes back with eye sight. Thats a fact.
First episode she youtubes Homer and smiles when she sees him. In the same room there is an unopened amazon box.
Last episode we are lead to believe she fabricated those people by the box of books in her room that is now opened
So if she fabricated Homer why is the box with the Homer book in it unopened.
She has marking all over her from captivity
if she is in fact crazy, she predicted the mass shooting anyway. She is not an unreliable narrator, we know this because she says she left a note, the dad never sees it until the mom finally shows it to him.
I just don't see how you spend so much time developing a story then just say o she's crazy now lets use her crazy dance lessons to stop a mass shooting we just throw in out of no where.
To me it was like they wrote themselves into a corner, didn't know how to get out, then decided to just throw a twist with a couple throwaway dialogues mixed in.
How does her leaving a note prove she's wholly reliable? The whole backstory is coming from her, none of it should be taken as fact IMO.
The only two things that I can think of that point to her not making it up is the prediction of the shooting, and that we saw Hap kill the other doctor. Technically the latter could be part of her made up story but since they showed it on screen that would be some low down trickery.
Quote:How does her leaving a note prove she's wholly reliable? The whole backstory is coming from her, none of it should be taken as fact IMO.
The only two things that I can think of that point to her not making it up is the prediction of the shooting, and that we saw Hap kill the other doctor. Technically the latter could be part of her made up story but since they showed it on screen that would be some low down trickery.
Yes, how she could tell Hap's story doesn't quite square with any reality. He didn't share it will her and what Homer might have told her about his trip with Hap is questionable since he was drugged and scared out of his mind.
Her story as told to anyone is only as real as she makes it out to be since there is no one to back up anything she says.
Quote:Yes, how she could tell Hap's story doesn't quite square with any reality. He didn't share it will her and what Homer might have told her about his trip with Hap is questionable since he was drugged and scared out of his mind.
Her story as told to anyone is only as real as she makes it out to be since there is no one to back up anything she says.
Why show us a story through someone elses perspective unless to show it was true. We never get Homer telling OA what happened. If they are just writing off that all as she's crazy than this is a bad show not a decent show with an infuriating ending. She doesn't show to be unreliable at any other time other than withholding information.
Quote:How does her leaving a note prove she's wholly reliable? The whole backstory is coming from her, none of it should be taken as fact IMO.
The only two things that I can think of that point to her not making it up is the prediction of the shooting, and that we saw Hap kill the other doctor. Technically the latter could be part of her made up story but since they showed it on screen that would be some low down trickery.
it shows that what she said to her dad was true even though he didn't believe her since he never got the note, at what other times does she lie to the five she tells the story to? She even eventually tells the same story to the parents in the hotel. And she did come back with her eyesight? was she unreliably blind early on? No everyone knew her as the blind girl.
Quote:Why show us a story through someone elses perspective unless to show it was true. We never get Homer telling OA what happened. If they are just writing off that all as she's crazy than this is a bad show not a decent show with an infuriating ending. She doesn't show to be unreliable at any other time other than withholding information.
it shows that what she said to her dad was true even though he didn't believe her since he never got the note, at what other times does she lie to the five she tells the story to? She even eventually tells the same story to the parents in the hotel. And she did come back with her eyesight? was she unreliably blind early on? No everyone knew her as the blind girl.
I think it's all up to the viewer to interpret the show how they see it. No matter what anyone says it's not going to make sense.
Here is an article in which Brit talks about how the story came about.