“There’s entire classes of quarterbacks, since ’06, I went back and looked at from Jay’s on — when people say developmental quarterbacks, OK, so who has gotten developed? There isn’t a single quarterback after the third round since 2006 that has been a long-term starter. So you’re either developing thirds, and most of them have been wiped out of the league. So to get a quality quarterback, you’ve got to draft them high. That 2012 class is a blip on the radar that’s unusual, highly unusual.”
http://fansided.com/2014/05/04/bears-gm-...terbacks/#!IBK8s
I have to agree with him, what are your thoughts?
He's right. With the exception of Russell Wilson, over the last 10 years, what other mid to late round QBs that you know of that turned out to be solid starter?
Quote:He's right. With the exception of Russell Wilson, over the last 10 years, what other mid to late round QBs that you know of that turned out to be solid starter?
Maybe Foles.
I think late round QB's can develop into decent backups. Guys like Fitzpatrick, Flynn, Cassel.
If the talent isn't there to begin with, there's only so much you can expect. This draft presents a decent pool of QBs who have the capabilities to become solid starters. While he may be right historically, that doesn't mean it's impossible to see a couple of these guys stepping up and proving him wrong.
Quote:He's right. With the exception of Russell Wilson, over the last 10 years, what other mid to late round QBs that you know of that turned out to be solid starter?
I guess that depends on your definition of 'solid.'
Matt Cassel and
Matt Schaub both have had some good seasons. Schaub had 5 years in a row with a rating over 90. Cassel had a Pro Bowl season as a Chief in 2010.
Both netted their developing team 2nd round picks (2 for Schaub, 1 high one for Cassel). Not Rob Johnson value, but not a wasted pick either.
Really really great post Snake. I for a long time have felt that the Kaep/Wilson year really screwed up some peoples minds and outlooks on the NFL draft. Now everybody is looking for that 3rd round or later guy who will magically rise up and bring them to a superbowl. Certainly there have been a lot of QB busts in the first round, but you are and will still always be better off finding a franchise guy there, than you'll ever be searching for one in a haystack in the later rounds.
Quote:If the talent isn't there to begin with, there's only so much you can expect. This draft presents a decent pool of QBs who have the capabilities to become solid starters. While he may be right historically, that doesn't mean it's impossible to see a couple of these guys stepping up and proving him wrong.
There are probably 3-4 guys in this draft who could be starters depending on who you talk too. The talent is there its just because no one is Andrew Luck teams are scared. So why are we hoping to strike gold with an Aaron Murray, Mettenberger, Savage, Garrapolo, McCarron in the later rounds. Seems more like a waste of a pick. If they don't have it now they probably won't have it ever.
Quote:He's right. With the exception of Russell Wilson, over the last 10 years, what other mid to late round QBs that you know of that turned out to be solid starter?
Andy Dalton, kapernick.. Not many but a few decent starters
Quote:Andy Dalton, kapernick.. Not many but a few decent starters
Dalton and Kaepernick were both second-rounders. That's not a middle round.
Quote:I guess that depends on your definition of 'solid.'
Matt Cassel and
Matt Schaub both have had some good seasons. Schaub had 5 years in a row with a rating over 90. Cassel had a Pro Bowl season as a Chief in 2010.
Both netted their developing team 2nd round picks (2 for Schaub, 1 high one for Cassel). Not Rob Johnson value, but not a wasted pick either.
OK, I stand corrected. Yes, Schaub (3rd round) and Cassel (7th round) can be considered as projects QBs who ended up making a lot of money and even had a few solid seasons. But how many were drafted mid to late only to fade out in a couple years later? Like 90-95 percent of them.
Quote:Andy Dalton, kapernick.. Not many but a few decent starters
Kaep and Dalton were 2nd round picks. The Bears GM referenced the 3rd rounders and later.
Quote:Really really great post Snake. I for a long time have felt that the Kaep/Wilson year really screwed up some peoples minds and outlooks on the NFL draft. Now everybody is looking for that 3rd round or later guy who will magically rise up and bring them to a superbowl. Certainly there have been a lot of QB busts in the first round, but you are and will still always be better off finding a franchise guy there, than you'll ever be searching for one in a haystack in the later rounds.
Pretty much this. But Gms and especially coaches are tied to the hip with whoever QB they drafted in the first round. I guess they feel "safer" or safer "job security" if they were to select a 3rd to late rounder.
Quote:Pretty much this. But Gms and especially coaches are tied to the hip with whoever QB they drafted in the first round. I guess they feel "safer" or safer "job security" if they were to select a 3rd to late rounder.
Yeah, but at what point does the feeling of being "safe" because the bust QB was a third-rounder become a trip to the firing line because the GM couldn't find a QB?
When it comes to the quarterback position, you either have it or you don't. You can't teach a 22 year old how to play the hardest position in pro sports.
Later round draft picks on QBs are simply lotto tickets.
If the desire is to trade down maybe Dave Caldwell and Gus should talk more about drafting Johnny Football at #3 to have a team trade up to avoid losing their guy?
Quote:Yeah, but at what point does the feeling of being "safe" because the bust QB was a third-rounder become a trip to the firing line because the GM couldn't find a QB?
This is very true, too. It's just that people put way too much emphasis on the coach/gm drafting the wrong QB high.
Quote:When it comes to the quarterback position, you either have it or you don't. You can't teach a 22 year old how to play the hardest position in pro sports.
No, but even the best in the game normally have a transition period.
Phil emery is a great football mind and I agree with what he's laid out here. Keep in mind there will probably be 5 or 6 qbs selected in the first two rounds, so what he's saying doesn't necessarily apply to the qbs that Dave might be looking at as a starter at some point.
Quote:Yeah, but at what point does the feeling of being "safe" because the bust QB was a third-rounder become a trip to the firing line because the GM couldn't find a QB?
Excellent question!
There are the Romo's, Brady's, Wilson's, Bulger's, Warner's, Garrards. But each one of those, there's 20 Terrell Pryor's.