Quote:What did Taylor do? He divided the Jaguars' fan base.
It marked the first time in franchise history when season ticket renewals went down. Attendance went down as well. We had averaged 73.000 prior to Fred Taylor.
He played the majority of his career in half-empty stadiums and the general lack of interest in Fred Taylor led to habitually blacking games out.
We lost a future Hall of Fame and two-time Super Bowl winning coach because of Fred Taylor. His arrival from Gainesville marked the beginning of a non-stop assault on Tom Coughlin by the Gator-infested media.
He never led the league in rushing. He never was voted into a single Pro Bowl.
This might go in the HOF of the most ignorant posts of ALL time. So sad, I feel sorry for this guy.
Quote:Buchanon definitely earns blame for the dirty hit, but guess what, dirty hits happen. As a player (target) you gotta be smart. Ergo, why players like Jerry Rice would often take the smart route and simply go out of bounds a lot rather than fight for that extra 10-20 inches.
Had Banks done that, he'd have lived his NFL career another day. I wish he would have. He was a special talent.
Did Buchanon ever get fined for the hit?? I know they go back and review questionable hits.
Again, you see (read) what you want to see. You have it out for me, (like a few others) so you do what you do. You stay classy there, "friend".
So, Banks got hurt because he's stupid now. This gets better by the post.
Quote:So, Banks got hurt because he's stupid now. This gets better by the post.
Did I say "Banks is stupid"? Ah, no.
Did he make a smart decision on that play? No, IMO he did not. That doesn't mean the blanket statement of labeling him "stupid". But...as said, you gotta do what you do.
Quote: As a player (target) you gotta be smart. Ergo, why players like Jerry Rice would often take the smart route and simply go out of bounds a lot rather than fight for that extra 10-20 inches.
Quote:Did I say "Banks is stupid"? Ah, no. Did he make a smart decision on that play? No, IMO he did not. That doesn't mean the blanket statement of labeling him "stupid". But...as said, you gotta do what you do.
Oh, you said it all right. You are still clueless to the fact that his momentum was carrying him out of bounds during the hit. I know how badly you want to pin this on Banks in your ongoing effort to criticize ANYTHING Jaguar related, but you're flailing away here at thin air. Maybe you should watch a clip of the run again before keep passing judgment on Banks. You're making yourself look foolish with each and every post you make about it.
Quote:Did I say "Banks is stupid"? Ah, no. Did he make a smart decision on that play? No, IMO he did not. That doesn't mean the blanket statement of labeling him "stupid". But...as said, you gotta do what you do.
Quote:Oh, you said it all right...
No, actually I didn't.
Yea this is a stretch even for him
Quote:I remember Tavian Banks performance in a preseason game vs the Dallas Cowboys (the Jags just rolled over them like 40-20 or something.....Tavian made Dallas defensive players look stupid trying to tackle him. He scored 2 TD, IIRC.
Had he just ran out of bounds instead of trying to gain that stupid meaningless extra YARD on the sidelines vs Atlanta, he might have gone on to have a special career of his own.
Dude. Every running back does this. Just bad luck for him
Quote:But if I cant pick Rob Johnson based on who he turned into and had to do it based on their actual play, I'd go with Garrard. Even though he was an average at best starting QB, he was a starting QB nonetheless. He was essentially the equal of Leftwich who we grabbed in the first. Definitely an increase in value. And obviously the most important position.
I always had a soft spot for Seth Payne. Eventually turned into a starter for us during our peak time in the late 90s. Was sad to see him leave and head off to Houston. Started there but injuries caught up to him a little.
Two guys not on your list, I wanted to give a shout out to... Reggie Barlow and Tavian Banks.... Barlow was one of those few guys who was good at both punt and kick returns. And Tavian Banks was about to turn into a really good player until a bad injury ended his career. He has always been the "what if" guy in our history if you ask me. (Also, I think his draft pick came from that Rob Johnson trade as well)
Wow!!! Tavian Banks, now there's a name I haven't heard in a long long time. What a real shame what happened to him with that questionable hit.
I remember a reporter asking coach Coughlin about his newly bleached blonde hair and Coughlin's response " I don't see the hair" lol.
Quote:No, actually I didn't.
Saying he wasn't smart enough to avoid the hit is in fact calling him stupid.
I see you completely ignore the fact that his momentum was carrying him. Since you're not touching that one with the proverbial ten foot poll, I assume you googled it and saw that you're completely off base about the hit. Despite your flailing and desperate attempts to make this somehow the fault of the Jags, it was not.
Rob Johnson, because he is essentially Fred Taylor.
Unbelievable that this thread has degenerated into a argument about Tavian Banks. He was nothing special in two years, and then was injured and out of the NFL. Lots of RBs look good in preseason, remember Toston? Banks was Deji Karim, except that he was injured before he would have been cut.
For the pick I'll go Garrard. I was not a big fan of Garrard, but he was a decent starting QB in spite of having horrendous WRs and only one year (2007) with a quality OL. Those who choose Rob Johnson = Fred Taylor have a reasonable argument, but the Jags got lucky picking Taylor, Coughlin wanted Curtis Enis that draft.
Quote:Unbelievable that this thread has degenerated into a argument about Tavian Banks. He was nothing special in two years, and then was injured and out of the NFL. Lots of RBs look good in preseason, remember Toston? Banks was Deji Karim, except that he was injured before he would have been cut.
For the pick I'll go Garrard. I was not a big fan of Garrard, but he was a decent starting QB in spite of having horrendous WRs and only one year (2007) with a quality OL. Those who choose Rob Johnson = Fred Taylor have a reasonable argument, but the Jags got lucky picking Taylor, Coughlin wanted Curtis Enis that draft.
Wow, I disagree.
I thought Tavian was indeed something special. He had legit 4.4. speed (if not faster) and quickness that was off the charts.
I guess you don't remember some of the brief flashes of brilliance he'd show. I remember him taking a short pass almost 50 yards in the Miami MNF game, and he'd always make huge plays when he got PT in the pre season.
His biggest issue was he was behind both Fred and James....then came the hit vs Atlanta that knocked him out for good.
I firmly believe had he stayed healthy, he would have been our version of Darren Sproles (before Sproles was ever known).
Quote:Wow, I disagree.
I thought Tavian was indeed something special. He had legit 4.4. speed (if not faster) and quickness that was off the charts.
I guess you don't remember some of the brief flashes of brilliance he'd show. I remember him taking a short pass almost 50 yards in the Miami MNF game, and he'd always make huge plays when he got PT in the pre season.
His biggest issue was he was behind both Fred and James....then came the hit vs Atlanta that knocked him out for good.
I firmly believe had he stayed healthy, he would have been our version of Darren Sproles (before Sproles was ever known).
Yes, we disagree. As a Jags fan I wanted to see Banks become the star player that people here make him out to be. But I never saw anything more than a journeyman. Coughlin was talking about moving him to WR.
I voted for Rob Johnson because trading him for a 1st rounder essentially got us Fred Taylor.
I am shocked more people havent picked Cecil Shorts III, if the team had a better QB and OLine & one other great WR I think he would look better.
Quote:I am shocked more people havent picked Cecil Shorts III, if the team had a better QB and OLine & one other great WR I think he would look better.
Not a long enough baseline to judge him. He's had two good but not great years. I hope ten years from now he'll win this no contest.