I'm baffled at this board and some of you people, though no pun intended lol. Our franchise QB will be a guy not even at the top of this year's class? Ya'll need to stop drinking the brady hope juice. Name the jags best 2-7 round QB and our worst 1st round QB and tell me what round we should draft one since we've had so much success outside the 1st. Don't tell me about any other team with a former or current 2-7 round great QB because im not concerned with there once in a decade or more hits, WE ARE JAGUARS act like it and stop stroking every fantasy ego of other team s' memories and moments. We'll never stand alone if we play copycat or little brother to every franchise who has success at one point in time or another. I like JFF but i'll accept Bridgewater or Bortles before any 2-7 round QB. If they were worth it, they should've showed it by now instead of us gambling on 2nd tier talent or late risers every year though not every round except under DC so far. Im using my PS3 browser so keep the grammar chatter in school not here.
Teddy Bridgewater imo is the only guy who can step in right away and be effective. I also think Jimmy Garoppolo has a shot at making it big, and Derek Carr IF he can fix his pocket issues (whcih worry me a lot, had the same issue with Gabbert)
Name every good first round QB we have drafted.
C'mon every first round QB is a sure thing...
Well how's that list coming? You need some more ink?
Quote:Name every good first round QB we have drafted.
C'mon every first round QB is a sure thing...
Well how's that list coming? You need some more ink?
The point is, we have drafted very few 1st round QB's and each year it's like wait till rounds 2-7 like one day it'll work. i'll say try a 1st rounder and have that same faith before we have a flacco and believe in him like we did garrard because of short success. He won a title but how long should we wait if our late round diamonds keep faultering. 5 10 15 yrs or what. take the guy and draft solid afterwards, and for the next 2 yrs. By then retry if needbe and we still fill holes and keep a reliable or replaced Henne/backup for 3 yrs n hopefully more.
Bridgewater is the guy but he needs to sit for a little bit and that's for him to get familiar with our players and built up to what size they need him to play at I could see 225 - 230 a perfect time for him to start would be after the bye with blackmon
Quote:Bridgewater is the guy but he needs to sit for a little bit and that's for him to get familiar with our players and built up to what size they need him to play at I could see 225 - 230 a perfect time for him to start would be after the bye with blackmon
i like TB and i wouldn't disagree with your method at all but this QB fear is getting old considering Mark is our GOAT so far. Compared to other QB's his age on average as starters though we got lucky because of his supporting cast. We need to take a chance and D has been hit and miss way more than Offense in our past, people should remember that. Example 1, D. Harvey UF and im a Gator fan so it let me down even more.
Quote:i like TB and i wouldn't disagree with your method at all but this QB fear is getting old considering Mark is our GOAT so far. Compared to other QB's his age on average as starters though we got lucky because of his supporting cast. We need to take a chance and D has been hit and miss way more than Offense in our past, people should remember that. Example 1, D. Harvey UF and im a Gator fan so it let me down even more.
So, hypothetically, if the highest rated DE in the draft is grading out at a 95 and the highest rated QB is grading out at an 85, is it "QB fear" if the team drafts the DE even though they still need a QB?
Could an argument be made that if the decision to take the QB over the higher rated DE was made, that it could have been for fear of not having consistent QB play?
Well, here's the thing. The best QB that the Jaguars have drafted, hands-down, was David Garrard. The second-best, if you look at it in terms of value, was Rob Johnson. He wasn't a long-term starter, but the Bills coughed up first and fourth-round picks for him for reasons that I still don't fully understand. Even if you take the value out of it, Johnson was, at worst, the third-best QB drafted by this franchise, imo.
The best first-round QB this team has taken was Byron Leftwich. That sentence alone suggests that Jaguar fans are not the bunch to make the "you have to draft your QB in one" argument to.
You do not draft for need, you draft for best player available and at 3 none of the top QB'S are the best player available. Now in the middle 1st i would take a Johnny Football or a Blake Bortles, i would not touch Bridgewater with a 500 foot pole.
Quote:Name every good first round QB we have drafted.
C'mon every first round QB is a sure thing...
Well how's that list coming? You need some more ink?
1st rounders:
Leftwich
Gabbert
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Quote:You do not draft for need, you draft for best player available and at 3 none of the top QB'S are the best player available. Now in the middle 1st i would take a Johnny Football or a Blake Bortles, i would not touch Bridgewater with a 500 foot pole.
BAP is a myth. You don't reach exponentially for a need, but need ABSOLUTELY factors in.
There's no fear of drafting a QB. There's simply the admission that none of the top rated QBs in this draft are necessarily a top 3 pick. Caldwell isn't going to reach on a pick to satisfy fans. He's going to find the best fit for this franchise when the opportunity presents itself.
Quote:I'm baffled at this board and some of you people, though no pun intended lol. Our franchise QB will be a guy not even at the top of this year's class? Ya'll need to stop drinking the brady hope juice. Name the jags best 2-7 round QB and our worst 1st round QB and tell me what round we should draft one since we've had so much success outside the 1st. Don't tell me about any other team with a former or current 2-7 round great QB because im not concerned with there once in a decade or more hits, WE ARE JAGUARS act like it and stop stroking every fantasy ego of other team s' memories and moments. We'll never stand alone if we play copycat or little brother to every franchise who has success at one point in time or another. I like JFF but i'll accept Bridgewater or Bortles before any 2-7 round QB. If they were worth it, they should've showed it by now instead of us gambling on 2nd tier talent or late risers every year though not every round except under DC so far. Im using my PS3 browser so keep the grammar chatter in school not here.
I wish I could help you to understand, but that does not seem possible.
Quote:Teddy Bridgewater imo is the only guy who can step in right away and be effective. I also think Jimmy Garoppolo has a shot at making it big, and Derek Carr IF he can fix his pocket issues (whcih worry me a lot, had the same issue with Gabbert)
C'mon now, we're still doing the 'I like Garoppolo' followed directly by 'Derek Carr pocket issues' dance?
Quote:Teddy Bridgewater imo is the only guy who can step in right away and be effective. I also think Jimmy Garoppolo has a shot at making it big, and Derek Carr IF he can fix his pocket issues (whcih worry me a lot, had the same issue with Gabbert)
Your smoking crack. TB is not even a backup quality at this point.
Quote:There's no fear of drafting a QB. There's simply the admission that none of the top rated QBs in this draft are necessarily a top 3 pick. Caldwell isn't going to reach on a pick to satisfy fans. He's going to find the best fit for this franchise when the opportunity presents itself.
"Woah man thats like your opinion and stuff" .
For all we know he has Teddy as his top QB and doesnt feel Mack or Watkins will make the impact a new franchise QB will make. I've seen no "admissions" by anyone other then board members and the ESPN big wigs who are just dogs in traffic sniffing out any story they can for rating.
Not saying he does have TB at the top because i dont actually know and neither does anyone else for that matter.
Quote:BAP is a myth. You don't reach exponentially for a need, but need ABSOLUTELY factors in.
There's no myth. You always select the best player available regardless of position each and every time you pick.
You think you know what your needs are. You draft a guy that might be the fourth or fifth ranked by position.
What you turn a blind eye to is the fact that you passed up on a much more talented player at another position.
Is this a myth?
2013 Draft Grades
OG Larry Warford 88.3
DB Dwayne Gratz 62.1
These numbers represent the level of talent each player has according to NFL scouting experts.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/tracker?ic...de-input:1
Warford (by grade) is on page one. Gratz (by grade) is on page ten.
According to talent grades there were two hundred and twelve spaces in between Warford and Gratz. The difference in talent is ridiculous.
This happens all the time with the so called needs drafting method. Caldwell took Ace Sanders instead of Brian Schwenke.
You want to draft needs then cry about the fact that we have six consecutive non-winning seasons. And what's the [BLEEP] story? We aren't talented enough.
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Quote:"Woah man thats like your opinion and stuff" .
For all we know he has Teddy as his top QB and doesnt feel Mack or Watkins will make the impact a new franchise QB will make. I've seen no "admissions" by anyone other then board members and the ESPN big wigs who are just dogs in traffic sniffing out any story they can for rating.
Not saying he does have TB at the top because i dont actually know and neither does anyone else for that matter.
Unlike some here, I recognize this is my opinion and not a statement of fact. When I say admission, I'm speaking for myself. Not the team.
Need vs. BAP? Are we really going to do this here, too?