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Quote:Oh, sorry I forgot we were strapped for cash.

 

Our cap situation has nothing to do with it.  Look at his contract.  You're stuck with him until he's about to turn 40.  No thanks. 

Quote:Our cap situation has nothing to do with it.  Look at his contract.  You're stuck with him until he's about to turn 40.  No thanks. 

 

If you trade for a player you can cut him any time you want without penalty.

 

I'm not saying WE NEED ROMO.  I can just understand the reasoning behind including him in the trade.

Quote:I disagree, especially considering who is on the other end of the deal. If they want the 3rd pick, it has to benefit the Jags to move out of it. Using value boards as a guide, Dallas has to give up their first next year to make this even remotely appealing. That doesn't quite cover the gap, so we should be asking for their 2nd rounder this year.


They want a QB. They'll have to pay.

 

Yep, I agree with the above philosophy. 

Quote:Ah yes, Washington.  I remember now.  I was gravitating to Dallas' pick before that where they were taking forever to select and the speculation was that they were on the phone with someone.  Probably us.  Maybe that was even confirmed that it was us?   I guess we can count our blessings a little that we didn't give up even more to move up the one extra spot.  Not that it matters now with the complete gutting of the roster last year.

 

I'm not sure JohnnyJaguar's original post that I responded to is defensible.  He said that if someone is willing to move up to your spot for a guy, that the guy is likely worth it and that you shouldn't do the trade.  As if you should just throw your own scouting out the window because someone wants your spot.  You've given great examples above of it working out for the team that trades up, but you're actually proving my point.  Teams have differing grades on players.  Scouting is inexact.  To give more credibility to someone else's opinion of a guy than your own on draft day after you've supposedly done your due diligence is ludicrous.  You can say you want Manziel or Bridgewater or whoever because you believe they grade out higher than the other options or their value as a player is greater than what's being offered in trade and you might even be right.  However, to say you should take one of these QBs BECAUSE someone is willing to trade up to get them is laughable. 

 

As to the point in bold, we agree as a general proposition.

 

However, if there were a situation where several teams are trying to trade up to get that player, I'd rethink my willingness to deal down.

Quote:As to the point in bold, we agree as a general proposition.

 

However, if there were a situation where several teams are trying to trade up to get that player, I'd rethink my willingness to deal down.

 

I agree if there are several teams.  Right now that doesn't appear to be the case.  So, if Dallas comes calling, you lay it out in a way that most benefits the Jaguars.  If they are willing to part ways with multiple picks, great.  If not, we can simply draft their target.

 

I think Jerry Jones' ego will rule the day here.  If he really wants Manziel that badly, swapping firsts this year, and trading us their 2nd in this draft, PLUS a first next year is acceptable compensation for a QB.

Quote:I agree if there are several teams.  Right now that doesn't appear to be the case.  So, if Dallas comes calling, you lay it out in a way that most benefits the Jaguars.  If they are willing to part ways with multiple picks, great.  If not, we can simply draft their target.

 

I think Jerry Jones' ego will rule the day here.  If he really wants Manziel that badly, swapping firsts this year, and trading us their 2nd in this draft, PLUS a first next year is acceptable compensation for a QB.

 

That would be a tough deal to turn down...though I don't think Dallas would ever offer that for Manziel.

But then if Manziel turns out to be great, we look stupid.

Quote:But then if Manziel turns out to be great, we look stupid.

 

Not really.  Especially if we wind up with another QB who is just as good.  Having an extra 1st round pick certainly helps.

 

Quote:That would be a tough deal to turn down...though I don't think Dallas would ever offer that for Manziel.

 

If they believe that much in Manziel, they'd pull the trigger. 

King's ransom without the Romo please. Hey, why not trade down with ATL first. If Johnny is there at 6, trade with Dallas. Accumulate an insane number of picks. 

 

Yeah, it's all a fantasy but still fun to think about.

Quote:King's ransom without the Romo please. Hey, why not trade down with ATL first. If Johnny is there at 6, trade with Dallas. Accumulate an insane number of picks. 

 

Yeah, it's all a fantasy but still fun to think about.

 

ATL apparently wants Clowney, so he would need to be there at 3 for that to work.  And if he is there, we would take him imo.

 

Quote:ATL apparently wants Clowney, so he would need to be there at 3 for that to work.  And if he is there, we would take him imo.

 

 

If ATL really wants Clowney, they may cough up so much that it just might be worth trading. Think of it as ATL trading for Clowney rather than a pick trade.  :yes:

 

Clowney prob won't be at 3 though.