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Quote:I know they aren't carbon copies of each other, but if Gus has say in the next QB, I could easily see Manziel being the Jags pick. I think Gus sees some Russell Wilson in Johnny football. 

 

No doubt about it

Quote:They'll never get over it. Its what they do. They still bring up LeFeavor.

 

I'm sure you'd appreciate it a great deal if people would forget about the things you've said in the past. 

 

Quote:Why do you some of you continue to dwell in the past? I'm assuming you're referring to a TMD statement he made during the season, get over it my friend.

 

What you've said in the past goes toward the credibility of the poster today.  When you're a poster who throws stuff out there that is simply intended to cover all your bases so you can tell everyone how smart you are down the road, and you state your opinion as if it's fact, portraying yourself as the smartest person on the board, you're inviting the scrutiny.

 

Quote:I wouldn't doubt the rumor has legs. (that the Eagles would like to move Foles while he actually has peak value) 

 

Nick Foles is so overrated and even the Eagles know it. But some on the board act like he's as good as his fluke numbers last season. 

 

I wouldn't make that deal and hope Dave wouldn't be that stupid enough to make that deal. 

 

So, it was a fluke for Foles, but when it was Garrard posting an over the top td:int ratio, that was elite?  I guess you have to shape facts to fit your schtick no matter what the topic might be.

 

Quote:I agree, also, if teams believe Manziel is worth moving up for, the Jaguars would likely take him at 3.

 

Just because some debunked rumor indicates a team is interested in moving up to get Manziel, that doesn't mean he's worth taking at 3.  That's a big gamble for a franchise that needs to be absolutely certain about the pick.

Quote:I know they aren't carbon copies of each other, but if Gus has say in the next QB, I could easily see Manziel being the Jags pick. I think Gus sees some Russell Wilson in Johnny football. 

 

Not at 3. Trade down if that's the guy you want.

Quote:I love Sammy Watkins, I just have a feeling they're going to take someone at 3 that hasn't been mocked to us a 1,000,000 times already.  

 

I don't want Watkins at 3. He's not even as good as AJ Green or Julio....and I'm not sure I'd have selected either one of them top 3. 

 

As said, the only type of WR I'm selecting with a pick as high as top 3 is a WR like Megatron. 

Quote:Not at 3. Trade down if that's the guy you want.

 

If you believe he's a franchise guy, take him at 3, if not, take Mack, Watkins, Evans etc..

Quote:If you believe he's a franchise guy, take him at 3, if not, take Mack, Watkins, Evans etc..

 

I don't believe he's a franchise guy.  I don't believe there IS a franchise guy at QB in this draft.  I see a lot of solid QBs who all have flaws that detract from their ability to be "the guy" here.

Quote:Not at 3. Trade down if that's the guy you want.

 

Thats fine with me too. However, Cleveland or Oakland scare me more with Manziel than they do Bridgewater. Manziel is a ticket seller/ hype guy and those 2 franchises need that in addition to simply needing a QB. Manziel accomplishes both. 

Quote:I don't want Watkins at 3. He's not even as good as AJ Green or Julio....and I'm not sure I'd have selected either one of them top 3. 

 

As said, the only type of WR I'm selecting with a pick as high as top 3 is a WR like Megatron. 

 

Watkins was a better receiver in college than Julio Jones was at Alabama.

Quote:Thats fine with me too. However, Cleveland or Oakland scare me more with Manziel than they do Bridgewater. Manziel is a ticket seller/ hype guy and those 2 franchises need that in addition to simply needing a QB. Manziel accomplishes both. 

 

And if he falls on his face at the next level because of the flaws in his game, it's going to happen in Cleveland or Oakland.  If that is who you're competing with for his services, based on their track records, that would make him even less appealing.

 

Throw Dallas in the mix as well for Manziel.  If Jerry Jones is coveting a player, I'm not sure that's a guy I want.

Quote:Why do you some of you continue to dwell in the past? I'm assuming you're referring to a TMD statement he made during the season, get over it my friend.

Why?


Because we have to endure months, and months, and months, and months...and thread upon thread upon thread...of incessant complaining. And then BAM...suddenly everything is different.


That's why...my friend.

Quote:I don't want Watkins at 3. He's not even as good as AJ Green or Julio....and I'm not sure I'd have selected either one of them top 3. 

 

As said, the only type of WR I'm selecting with a pick as high as top 3 is a WR like Megatron. 

 

He's definitely not AJ Green, but I believe he's better than Julio Jones. Jones wasn't very durable at Alabama (he's not durable now), he also had problems with drops, and was known more as a vertical threat than a complete receiver, now he's obviously turned into a great player, but Watkins (Imo) is a better prospect than what Jones was coming out.

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So, it was a fluke for Foles, but when it was Garrard posting an over the top td:int ratio, that was elite?  I guess you have to shape facts to fit your schtick no matter what the topic might be.

 

 

At that time I said Garrard had an elite season. Time proved Garrard's 2007 season to be fluky, and I learned from that as not to read too much into one fluky season by an otherwise average QB. Theres a LOT of "2007 Garrard" in Foles' 2013 season. 

Quote:Watkins was a better receiver in college than Julio Jones was at Alabama.

 

Julio is bigger and just as much of a playmaker. 

Quote:I don't believe he's a franchise guy.  I don't believe there IS a franchise guy at QB in this draft.  I see a lot of solid QBs who all have flaws that detract from their ability to be "the guy" here.

 

Fair enough

Quote:Julio is bigger and just as much of a playmaker. 

 

He wasn't in college

He's only 2 inches shorter than Jones.

 

Two things Watkins can do.

 

Elevate:

 



 

Run:

 

And he's tough:

 

SDR: no doubt Watkins was impressive in college....not dismissing that. But you know the NFL is a different ball game. Bigger, stronger, smarter competition, week in week out. 

 

You think Watkins frame will be able to hold up, if he plays the same way in the NFL? 

Quote:At that time I said Garrard had an elite season. Time proved Garrard's 2007 season to be fluky, and I learned from that as not to read too much into one fluky season by an otherwise average QB. Theres a LOT of "2007 Garrard" in Foles' 2013 season. 

 

So, if Foles comes back this year and has another solid season, will you be eating your "fluke" comment?  Because you still haven't really let go of the Garrard being elite nonsense from 2007. 

Quote:So, if Foles comes back this year and has another solid season, will you be eating your "fluke" comment?  Because you still haven't really let go of the Garrard being elite nonsense from 2007. 

 

If Foles' does it again, I won't believe what I am seeing, but at that point, I'd have to start to give him more credit, I guess. 

 

I really don't anticipate Foles' to be anywhere near the same level, though.