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. . .I would pray he can play from the pocket and doesn't get injured.

Lol who is this person that would become a browns fan?

Quote:I'd treat him as if a hurricane was predicted to hit town. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. 

 

That's a great line.

 

I'm with you on this.

 

Initially I'd be nauseous.  Eventually I'd come to grips with it, root like hell for him to succeed and hope like hell I am/was wrong about him.

support him like i do all over Jag draft picks

Depends whew he's picked.

If it's with the #3 pick, I'd be disappointed that we didn't maximize value with a trade down first.

If we trade down,or up, to pick him, then I'd trust that Dave & G-Brad believe he can be the signal caller they need him to be...

I dont get it when people say, "if he is Dave's guy, then im ok with it."


I mean, its not like there would ever be a situation where a GM picks somebody that he doesnt like.

Still looking for the "disappointed with the value and crossing fingers" option.

Quote:I dont get it when people say, "if he is Dave's guy, then im ok with it."


I mean, its not like there would ever be a situation where a GM picks somebody that he doesnt like.

 

What that means is that the poster doesn't agree with Dave, but trusts his judgment enough to give him the benefit of the doubt (until proven otherwise.)

 

Why you think that means Dave would pick someone he doesn't believe in defies logic.

Quote:What that means is that the poster doesn't agree with Dave, but trusts his judgment enough to give him the benefit of the doubt (until proven otherwise.)

 

Why you think that means Dave would pick someone he doesn't believe in defies logic.

 

Why are you putting words in badgers mouth? He doesn't think it means that Dave would pick someone he doesn't believe in. Badger is pointing out how stupid the notion is. 

Quote:What that means is that the poster doesn't agree with Dave, but trusts his judgment enough to give him the benefit of the doubt (until proven otherwise.)


Why you think that means Dave would pick someone he doesn't believe in defies logic.

The statement itself suggests that there is a situation in which the pick would not be Dave's guy.


So saying "if Dave believes in him, then im ok with it" is pointless since there is no 'if'. Whoever he picks im sure he believes in. It makes more sense if you just admit that whoever he picks you will be on board with


I just see alot of that, "I dont want him at 3, but if its dave's guy then its cool."

Quote:The statement itself suggests that there is a situation in which the pick would not be Dave's guy.

You're totally right about the statement in that context. Nobody who we pick will not be Dave's guy.

 

But I think the phrase though is used more about a prospect before draft day. Like say you really don't like Clowney, don't think we should draft him, but you happen to overhear a conversation that Caldwell is having, and he says that he/the Jaguars loves Clowney and thinks we should draft him. Just him being Dave's guy will likely bolster your liking of Clowney.

 

The statement, as far as I can tell, is a bode of confidence in Dave and Gus. It says that I have my own opinions about said-prospect(Manziel, Teddy, Watkins, etc), but that whoever the Jaguars brass pick, I'll be either okay with, or learn to be okay with it. We trust that Dave "knows better than we do".

 

Perhaps saying the opposite of that expression will help:

"If he is Dave's guy, then im ok with it."

compared to

"Even if he is Dave's guy and we pick him in the draft, I'm not ok with it and I still won't like him"

Quote:Why are you putting words in badgers mouth? He doesn't think it means that Dave would pick someone he doesn't believe in. Badger is pointing out how stupid the notion is. 

 

You're missing the point and butting in on a conversation you're clueless about, but that's nothing new I suppose.

Quote:The statement itself suggests that there is a situation in which the pick would not be Dave's guy.


So saying "if Dave believes in him, then im ok with it" is pointless since there is no 'if'. Whoever he picks im sure he believes in. It makes more sense if you just admit that whoever he picks you will be on board with


I just see alot of that, "I dont want him at 3, but if its dave's guy then its cool."

Again, your misunderstanding of the qualifier "if" is quite baffling.

 

Dave may pick him, he may not.  That's where "IF" factors in.

 

IF he selects him, then that means Dave likes him.

 

IF he doesn't select him, then that means Dave likes someone better.

 

So, it's logical that IF he's selected by Dave, then Dave may be given the benefit of the doubt even though you may not like the pick.  That's perfectly logical.  However, I'm still not following your logic in protesting "if".  That's the kind of qualifier people use when something is not certain to happen.

Tickled if they traded down and got him a bit later and added a pick.

Ok, maybe im misunderstanding. But it still seems pointless to me to say that you dont like prospect x, but you will like whoever Dave picks. That just means you dont really care who he picks because whoever he picks you will like it.

Quote:That just means you dont really care who he picks because whoever he picks you will like it.

lol, good point. i guess the statement does have a sort of self-defeating mentality to it, when you put it that way,

Love him or hate him...those who still look for more attention to Jagsonville will find it. My guess is they're waiting on Clowney and going QB later. If Clowney is gone? Crapshoot.

I dont think anyone is confident that any of the top3 qb prospects will be better than the latter group in two, three years. That is why I'm leaning on a QB in later rounds.

I do think Manzeil would sell tickets though.

...say, "Hmm. How about that. We drafted Manziel."

Quote:Ok, maybe im misunderstanding. But it still seems pointless to me to say that you dont like prospect x, but you will like whoever Dave picks. That just means you dont really care who he picks because whoever he picks you will like it.

 

I get what you're saying.  But I doubt there are many folks that fit that criteria.  Guys who simply don't like a prospect won't like them no matter what.

 

However, there are people who like the guy who wouldn't want us to select him as high as #3..  These are the ones who I believe are the "I'm along with it if that's Dave's pick" crowd, which is what I subscribe to.

 

There are those who are opposed to the value (or lack thereof), not the guy.

Quote:I'd rather have this kid instead of Teddy..

 

http://youtu.be/g7o1tRFnjpc

 

Yeah i would take this kid over teddy too. I think the kids schedule was a bit better than teddy's too!