Quote:I see your point here. The one thing I would say is that there is the possibility they would get a compensatory pick for him that might be a 3rd...or at least a 4th...if they simply let him walk. Now it would not be TWO picks for him like it would be under your initial proposal, but they might get something for him if he simply bolts.
True, but then they would have to worry about what free agents they could sign in order not to mess up the pick.
Besides, they wouldn't be getting that pick until 3 drafts from now and with a new staff I think they would like to have the draft picks sooner rather than later.
If Mack signs and agrees to a tender offer and the Browns decline to match for whatever reason, would the Browns be eligible for a compensatory pick next year?
If the MMQB speculation is true, there will be a lot of competition for QBs at the top of the 2nd round. But picking at 39, we will be at a disadvantage, as Houston, Cleveland, Oakland and Tampa all pick ahead of us, and all theoretically need QBs.
We will likely have to trade up if we want to pick a QB ahead of these other teams.
According to the trade value chart, it'll take 80 points to get to Seattle's pick at the bottom of the first from the 39th spot.
Quote:If the MMQB speculation is true, there will be a lot of competition for QBs at the top of the 2nd round. But picking at 39, we will be at a disadvantage, as Houston, Cleveland, Oakland and Tampa all pick ahead of us, and all theoretically need QBs.
We will likely have to trade up if we want to pick a QB ahead of these other teams.
According to the trade value chart, it'll take 80 points to get to Seattle's pick at the bottom of the first from the 39th spot.
80 pts is easy to get amirite?
Quote:80 pts is easy to get amirite?
According to the chart, it would take the first 4th round pick, #105 overall, to get there, or maybe 2 of the 5th rounders and a 6th.
Hypothetical:
Suppose Buffalo wanted to trade up to 3 from the 9th overall pick.
If Buffalo were to offer, instead of a 2nd round pick and a 4th, say Mario Williams or Marcell Dareus, would you take the deal?
Would it matter if their target were Clowney or Watkins?
Quote:Hypothetical:
Suppose Buffalo wanted to trade up to 3 from the 9th overall pick.
If Buffalo were to offer, instead of a 2nd round pick and a 4th, say Mario Williams or Marcell Dareus, would you take the deal?
Would it matter if their target were Clowney or Watkins?
I'd rather have the draft picks.
I'd take the draft picks too.
Quote:Hypothetical:
Suppose Buffalo wanted to trade up to 3 from the 9th overall pick.
If Buffalo were to offer, instead of a 2nd round pick and a 4th, say Mario Williams or Marcell Dareus, would you take the deal?
Would it matter if their target were Clowney or Watkins?
For those two draft targets, it will take me a lot more than one draft pick and one player. That being said, if I'm taking either player my preference would be Dareus. He's got a lot less mileage on him and fewer injuries.
Quote:Hypothetical:
Suppose Buffalo wanted to trade up to 3 from the 9th overall pick.
If Buffalo were to offer, instead of a 2nd round pick and a 4th, say Mario Williams or Marcell Dareus, would you take the deal?
Would it matter if their target were Clowney or Watkins?
Take the picks.
@Bischoff_Scott: Per a source, the #Lions are having discussions about moving #Suh before the draft to move up as high as possible in the first round.
Swap firsts plus we get suh? Sign me up right now.
Quote:@Bischoff_Scott: Per a source, the #Lions are having discussions about moving #Suh before the draft to move up as high as possible in the first round.
Swap firsts plus we get suh? Sign me up right now.
no, he is one of the most overrated players in this league. Dont want the guy anyway
Quote:@Bischoff_Scott: Per a source, the #Lions are having discussions about moving #Suh before the draft to move up as high as possible in the first round.
Swap firsts plus we get suh? Sign me up right now.
No thanks.
To be clear, it wasn't a picks or players proposition in the absolute sense.
The options were designed to be...
a) swap of 1s, a 2nd and a 4th...or
b) swap of 1s, Dareus/Williams, and a 4th...
Overrated? so now Suh isn't a top 3 DT in the nfl?
Why wouldn't you want to do it fbt?
Quote:Overrated? so now Suh isn't a top 3 DT in the nfl?
Why wouldn't you want to do it fbt?
he never was a top 3 DT
Quote:he never was a top 3 DT
He was last year.
Suh's been a problem child and gets big money, thats why they are considering moving him.
Think about it - how much of an impact has he really made anyway?? Their defense is genarally nothing special these past several years. He's not worth the headache he is to the coaches.
Quote:Yeah, no problem, I just wanted to clear up any confusion that might have arisen from potential responses/ scenarios that might have included those picks.
As for my dream scenario's....its still to have Clowney make it to our pick, and then trade down to 6 with Atlanta, and recoup their 2nd + 4th rounder for 2014. Atlanta's motivation being Clowney.
Then while sitting at 6, trade down again with Detroit, recoup their 2nd + 4th rounders as well. Detroit's motivation being Sammy Watkins.
If in either of these scenario's the Jags could squeeze a 2015 first rounder instead of the 2014 second rounder (usually the transfer is when trading future year picks, they go up one round per year of trading, thus the 2nd rounders in 2014, become 2015 first rounders), then by all means, do it.
Then at 10, the Jags would likely still have their pick of a number of great prospects like Barr, Evans, Ebron, or Gilbert.
Or, they could even trade back some more and recoup a few more 2nd or 3rd rounders.
I'd say just make sure you don't trade back too much to where you aren't getting a top notch guy with the first rounder for this year.
This scenerio would be almost too good to be true. To end up with three 2nd rounders, one 3rd and four 4th's, the Jags would be in a position to acquire solid players at almost every position of need. They would also be in a great position to move up whenever a player they covet may be taken by another team that picks ahead of them. This would especially apply to center, where there are only 2 players (Richberg and Martin) who are considered excellent prospects. They would also have the ability to move back into the back of the 1st to take Bridgewater (the best q.b., in my opinion) if he drops far enough, as is predicted. Mad Dog, if your scenerio did become a reality, these would be my picks.
Rd. 1 (#10) Anthony Barr
1 Teddy Bridgewater (give up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th)
2 Xavier Su'A-Filo
2 Jordan Matthews, Crooks, or Moncrief (highest W.R. on their board)
3 Weston Richberg or Marcus Martin (trade up- give up two 4ths)
4 Chris Smith or Trent Murphy (another pass rusher with high effort)
5 Trey Burton
5 Larry Webster
5 Storm Johnson (or highest R.B. on board)
6 Connor Shaw or Stephen Morris
6 George Uko (or highest D.T.
7 Special teams prospect
How would you feel about this draft?
Quote:This scenerio would be almost too good to be true. To end up with three 2nd rounders, one 3rd and four 4th's, the Jags would be in a position to acquire solid players at almost every position of need. They would also be in a great position to move up whenever a player they covet may be taken by another team that picks ahead of them. This would especially apply to center, where there are only 2 players (Richberg and Martin) who are considered excellent prospects. They would also have the ability to move back into the back of the 1st to take Bridgewater (the best q.b., in my opinion) if he drops far enough, as is predicted. Mad Dog, if your scenerio did become a reality, these would be my picks.
Rd. 1 (#10) Anthony Barr
1 Teddy Bridgewater (give up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th)
2 Xavier Su'A-Filo
2 Jordan Matthews, Crooks, or Moncrief (highest W.R. on their board)
3 Weston Richberg or Marcus Martin (trade up- give up two 4ths)
4 Chris Smith or Trent Murphy (another pass rusher with high effort)
5 Trey Burton
5 Larry Webster
5 Storm Johnson (or highest R.B. on board)
6 Connor Shaw or Stephen Morris
6 George Uko (or highest D.T.
7 Special teams prospect
How would you feel about this draft?
That Crooks guy sounds like....a steal :thumbsup: