Tangential questions:
How many interior OL should the Jaguars draft this year considering the amount of mid-late round picks, the two holes in the starting lineup, and need for depth?
Does that answer change if the Jaguars draft Robinson or Matthews in the first round?
Quote:Tangential questions:
How many interior OL should the Jaguars draft this year considering the amount of mid-late round picks, the two holes in the starting lineup, and need for depth? 1
Does that answer change if the Jaguars draft Robinson or Matthews in the first round? 2
1 - I think you need to bring in two Interior player with those mid to late selections. I like Dozier out of Furman, and Turner from LSU.
2 - Not really, but that's kinda because I really,
really don't see them taking a Tackle in the First.
Quote:There is zero upside to re-signing Uche, even if it's for depth. I'm sure they've got a plan. He's not part of it.
Agree. This didn't sound like a Babin come-back-when-you're-cheaper-and-we'll-talk situation at all.
Quote:Tangential questions:
How many interior OL should the Jaguars draft this year considering the amount of mid-late round picks, the two holes in the starting lineup, and need for depth?
Does that answer change if the Jaguars draft Robinson or Matthews in the first round?
If they add a RT, they may not have to draft an interior guy.
Not necessarily advocating that, but just realizing it's possible.
They've come out and said they'd like Brewster to win the C job, but without adding any centers we've still got almost half a dozen to compete for the job.
Adding a RT would move Paztor in to RG, a guy we know they are pleased with already, and where we already have backups.
So, theoretically, RT could be the silver bullet that solves the right side without having to look for a RG. That would allow them to add interior guys at their discretion in the draft if one is available, without feeling a need to have to. T is a lot deeper and more talented than C and G this year, which is typically the case.
Brewster has been the definition of underwhelming thus far. Still holding out hope we put Cleveland to a decision with a strong offer for Mack.
Is there any sort of deadline for the Browns to look at any potential offers and to make a decision on Mack?
It's possible the Jags are sitting on this waiting for the draft to see what they can shake out there. If they don't lock down a legitimate starter at C, they may make a push to get Mack.
Whether it be stopgap signings or big money plays for guys like Mack, that kind of signing could still come after the draft.
I don't see Caldwell as a guy who reaches for need.
Quote:He's not a good fit for the system we want to run.
This
Quote:1 - I think you need to bring in two Interior player with those mid to late selections. I like Dozier out of Furman, and Turner from LSU.
2 - Not really, but that's kinda because I really, really don't see them taking a Tackle in the First.
For most of this post free agency flurry period, I've been thinking two interior OL (G or C) is the magic number. Now I'm not so sure. If we assume we don't sign Mack at some point in the future, at minimum we'll need a G and a C. If we only draft two, and don't sign anyone else, we are gambling that we will hit on both of those picks, and it doesn't address depth at all. I think that is too much of a risk to ensure substantial offensive improvement. I think I would raise that number to three.
I don't see the team taking a tackle in the first round, either. But it COULD happen. If it did, it would give the team some flexibility by moving Pasztor back inside.
Quote:If they add a RT, they may not have to draft an interior guy.
Not necessarily advocating that, but just realizing it's possible.
They've come out and said they'd like Brewster to win the C job, but without adding any centers we've still got almost half a dozen to compete for the job.
Adding a RT would move Paztor in to RG, a guy we know they are pleased with already, and where we already have backups.
So, theoretically, RT could be the silver bullet that solves the right side without having to look for a RG. That would allow them to add interior guys at their discretion in the draft if one is available, without feeling a need to have to. T is a lot deeper and more talented than C and G this year, which is typically the case.
Yeah..this is one of the things I was thinking.
I was also thinking if we didn't do that, prudence would seem to mandate 3 interior OL somewhere in the draft for three main reasons.
1. We need at least two more starters on the OL
2. We need depth/competition;
3. The likelihood of missing on one of those picks.
Quote:Is there any sort of deadline for the Browns to look at any potential offers and to make a decision on Mack?
It's possible the Jags are sitting on this waiting for the draft to see what they can shake out there. If they don't lock down a legitimate starter at C, they may make a push to get Mack.
For that matter, it's possible Cleveland will wait to see how the draft unfolds before deciding whether or not to match any offers for Mack-if there is no deadline that may force the issue beforehand. If the draft falls the way cleveland wants it before hand, maybe they take Swanson in the 2nd and let Mack walk to keep salaries down.
Quote:If his price was a couple million less per, would you bring him back as a stop gap?
No. Sign OC Brian De La Puente and draft a starting OG in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Quote:For that matter, it's possible Cleveland will wait to see how the draft unfolds before deciding whether or not to match any offers for Mack-if there is no deadline that may force the issue beforehand. If the draft falls the way cleveland wants it before hand, maybe they take Swanson in the 2nd and let Mack walk to keep salaries down.
If someone makes Mack an offer, the Browns have a week to match it. Not sure anybody wants to negotiate Mack's contract for the Browns.
And no to Uche. I like the guy, but if he was good enough to be re-signed, somebody else would have likely snatched him up already. Time to move on.
Quote:For that matter, it's possible Cleveland will wait to see how the draft unfolds before deciding whether or not to match any offers for Mack-if there is no deadline that may force the issue beforehand. If the draft falls the way cleveland wants it before hand, maybe they take Swanson in the 2nd and let Mack walk to keep salaries down.
It's definitely a 2 way street.
In the end, I would think Cleveland will match any offers on the table, but a team that has the resources the Jaguars do could certainly make that decision hurt if they wanted to.
If Mack is allowed to walk to keep salaries under control, the Jaguars could certainly jump into that mix with a lot of cash on hand.
Quote:No. Sign OC Brian De La Puente and draft a starting OG in the 2nd or 3rd round.
With the number of picks we have 3-5, I see no need to go interior as high as second round. An RT in the second would be good value though.
Quote:I think Bradfield will be the starter at RG
I think Bradfield will be the starter at C...
NH3...
Quote:If they add a RT, they may not have to draft an interior guy.
Not necessarily advocating that, but just realizing it's possible.
They've come out and said they'd like Brewster to win the C job, but without adding any centers we've still got almost half a dozen to compete for the job.
Adding a RT would move Paztor in to RG, a guy we know they are pleased with already, and where we already have backups.
So, theoretically, RT could be the silver bullet that solves the right side without having to look for a RG. That would allow them to add interior guys at their discretion in the draft if one is available, without feeling a need to have to. T is a lot deeper and more talented than C and G this year, which is typically the case.
Ironically I never considered this scenario of sliding our RT due to drafting a future RT...
Time Will Tell...
NH3...
I see rookies in my offensive line crystal ball. Caldwell is wisely building this line for the long haul, IMO.
Joeckel is building block one. Beadles is likely his right hand man for several years. Pasztor gets a prove-it year at RT to show us if he's the guy.
That leaves C and RG. There are 6 unlikely candidates on the roster already to compete with the rookies Caldwell will undoubtedly draft and/or sign.
I think if if Dave drafts a viable center prospect before the 5th round - it will all work out. It could be a little rough on the interior line early on - but I think finding young talent that fits the scheme is Caldwell's plan for the O-line. And it's a good one.
Perhaps...IF you can get him for dirt cheap. Uche is (was) a part of the problem with our offensive line that Caldwell is trying to move us past. He would be ok for a backup. But I think he would tend to be poison for a younger guy who was starting instead of him. No, Uche had his chance here; time to move on and get someone better so our offense isn't the laughing stock of the NFL...again.
Uche is to blame for Joeckel's broken leg. We don't need him back.