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Exactly how much was Bortles helped from his WRs? 3/4 look really pro-ready to me. They can take pretty much any route and turn it into a 50+ yard gain. I like Bortles, almost as much as Teddy, but I still can't get around how effortless it looks for him to get his receivers the ball. I don't know if this is a good, or bad thing, however. Opinions?

His recievers were good but I wouldn't say pro ready they consistently dropped a lot of passes which also dropped his completion percentage

I don't think any of his receivers or backs are even being considered out side of the 4-5th rounds.

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I don't know, but when I watch him I notice more of his receivers making a play on the ball then Bortles making a play with his arm. It could just be me. 

Perhaps you should seek acceptance rather than excuses.

McCarron, Teddy, Carr, and JFF all have a better WR core than Bortles

Quote:McCarron, Teddy, Carr, and JFF all have a better WR core than Bortles

I know this, but his receivers seem to stick out to me. I see Bortles just, 'getting it there', and I don't see any wow. When I think about the way he looks sometimes while throwing the ball and when the ball gets to the receiver he looks like Curtis Painter. 

 

I don't know, it could just be me. 

Boy it's a lot of people that don't wanna see Bortles succeed. It's the Gabbertphobia I guess.

Quote:I know this, but his receivers seem to stick out to me. I see Bortles just, 'getting it there', and I don't see any wow. When I think about the way he looks sometimes while throwing the ball and when the ball gets to the receiver he looks like Curtis Painter. 

 

I don't know, it could just be me. 

His didn't have the big bailout, go get it type WR like Evans, Amari, Adams, or even Parker. However, he did have a WR corps that was very good after the catch. When Blake hit Perriman or Hall with room to run they picked up YAC as well as anyone. 

I like Bortles, but I really didn't see much in the way of talent surrounding him.

Quote:His didn't have the big bailout, go get it type WR like Evans, Amari, Adams, or even Parker. However, he did have a WR corps that was very good after the catch. When Blake hit Perriman or Hall with room to run they picked up YAC as well as anyone. 

 

I think thats what he was getting at. As evidenced by his weaker deep ball and tons of shorter passes. People diss Teddy for throwing to open receivers because of scheme (which he controls BTW) but Bortles throws so many screens and slats its amazing. Bortles does occasionaly make a solid throw on the right side post going over the middle but beyond that his WRs are rarely asked to use the whole route tree. His entire offense is based around creating YAC with some read option mixed in.

 

Deep Comebacks , Dig routes over the middle where the WR breaks after 10+yards , double moves, pump and go ,  corner routes , back shoulder throws are NFL throws and Bortles isnt asked to do these nearly as much as Teddy and even Manziel. He primarily runs screens, slants and hitches with tons of 1 read stuff and staring down his first option.....sound familiar?

Quote:I think thats what he was getting at. As evidenced by his weaker deep ball and tons of shorter passes. People diss Teddy for throwing to open receivers because of scheme (which he controls BTW) but Bortles throws so many screens and slats its amazing. Bortles does occasionaly make a solid throw on the right side post going over the middle but beyond that his WRs are rarely asked to use the whole route tree. His entire offense is based around creating YAC with some read option mixed in.


Deep Comebacks , Dig routes over the middle where the WR breaks after 10+yards , double moves, pump and go , corner routes , back shoulder throws are NFL throws and Bortles isnt asked to do these nearly as much as Teddy and even Manziel. He primarily runs screens, slants and hitches with tons of 1 read stuff and staring down his first option.....sound familiar?

Out of the top 4 qbs Bortles had the highest % of passes in the 11-20 range. Teddh and Bortles both throw to the intermediate area very well.


He threw the same percentage of screen as manziel and about the average of all qbs. I've seen him make good back shoulder, dig routes, and a ton of skinny and regular posts. I think saying he primarily ran screens and slants is unfair. Most offenses are based around those type of throws and he didn't throw much more (%wise) than average qbs anyway.


And no he is the farthest thing from Gabbert. Bortles biggest strength was Gabberts biggest weakness. Moving in the pocket without being rattled. Saying he reminds you of Gabbert is frustrating and is not accurate at all.

Gimme the QB who was able to do the most with less. Always. 

 

Same goes for coaching. 

 

Because once those same people DO get the legit talent around them...., look out. 

Quote:Gimme the QB who was able to do the most with less. Always.


Same goes for coaching.


Because once those same people DO get the legit talent around them...., look out.

We have the coach. We must must must hit on the QB

Quote:His didn't have the big bailout, go get it type WR like Evans, Amari, Adams, or even Parker. However, he did have a WR corps that was very good after the catch. When Blake hit Perriman or Hall with room to run they picked up YAC as well as anyone. 

This pretty much sums up my opinion.

Quote:Exactly how much was Bortles helped from his WRs? 3/4 look really pro-ready to me. They can take pretty much any route and turn it into a 50+ yard gain. I like Bortles, almost as much as Teddy, but I still can't get around how effortless it looks for him to get his receivers the ball. I don't know if this is a good, or bad thing, however. Opinions?

 

Gino Torretta was the master of the five-yard bomb. While at the University of Miami, he thrived on the opposing defense's inability to tackle the short pass. Throw the football four to five yards and the receiver does the rest. Bortles is a lot like him. Undoubtedly, the story is likely to unfold about the same way. Torretta won a Heisman Trophy, but he lacked pro talent. Bortles has a very limited list of success. Beware of the fast-rising quarterback, Polian sez.

 

 

Also, UCF cleverly conceals Bortles lack of footwork. He hardly ever is a pure drop-back passer. He will line up over center, but almost never takes the snap and drops back. Watch his video carefully. QBs that drop back from center must have elite reaction time.

 

Apparently, Bortles can not see the field well. There are a few times when he will take a snap over center then roll out with mixed results. The bottom line is he struggles with footwork and field vision so they keep him perched in the shot gun. That's not an elite, top five NFL quarterback prospect.

 

Listen, every year the old guard of the NFL develops these cream puffs and loads them at the top of the draft. They love it when southern franchises eat the cake because they know the real elite talent is going up north.

 

Every year this happens.

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Listen, every year the old guard of the NFL develops these cream puffs and loads them at the top of the draft. They love it when southern franchises eat the cake because they know the real elite talent is going up north.

 

This is gold. 

The only receiver that really bailed him out is JJ. Perriman had nice size and Hall had speed but neither were very complete receivers. JJ made the fantastic grabs. If anything, Perriman dropped several deep balls that Blake hit him with.

Quote:I don't know, but when I watch him I notice more of his receivers making a play on the ball then Bortles making a play with his arm. It could just be me. 

 

I watched a lot of UCF football last year.  His receivers are above average as a group, but it was Bortles that made the plays.  He made good passes as well as making plays with his feet when needed.

 

I don't see us picking him at 3, but he's a good qb.