Quote:I disagree. I think he has 3 elite traits, and one poor one that can be coached up. Other than that he's average. I think he has Elite Pocket Presence, Elite short-intermediate accuracy, and Elite pre-play adjustments. His poor trait is his deep ball touch, but that can be coached. Honestly, I think the highest he goes is 4. I don't believe we will pick him anymore, however.
You have to go with either Mack, Clowney or Watkins. Have to.
If he's good enough to go 4 he's good enough to go 3...
Quote:If he's good enough to go 4 he's good enough to go 3...
There's no way he should be picked before Clowney, Mack, or Watkins. I disagree.
Quote:This has been bugging me for quite some time now. Just what does the Pro Day accomplish? From what I can tell - since I have never attended a Pro Day, nor do I ever intend to - a players Pro Day consist of him being weighed and measured, performing a few drills, and maybe having a presser. But all of these things are already done at the Combine by an impartial, or at least a less interested party.
I would think that everyone in attendance takes most of the results of the scripted drills with more than just a grain of salt.
I can understand having one in the case of a player being injured and not being able to make the Combine or if he flat out wasn't invited, but besides that what's the point?
To the prospective draftee, the Pro Day is a last-ditched attempt to get stuff checked off his scouting report. In other words, to the potential draftee, the Pro Day workout is a fail-safe for what may or may not have happened at the Combine. A bad forty time can be erased at Pro Day. The lack of drive on passes at the Combine can be corrected and properly demonstrated at Pro Day. For potential draftees that are advised to not compete at the NFL Combine it's a terrible risk to take or it's just fine.
If they do not work out at the Combine coupled with a bad to poor Pro Day how can it NOT hurt the potential draftee? They guy's getting cold feet, why draft him?
For NFL teams, the college Pro Day should be a final chance for colleges to have a look at players that haven't had lots of exposure. It screams volumes about a top prospect's camaraderie and sportsmanship when they hog the spotlight due to a poor non-cooperative attitude at the NFL Scouting Combine, or it can show they have total class by getting it done when it's expected and allowing others a chance to win.
Quote:There's no way he should be picked before Clowney, Mack, or Watkins. I disagree.
most agree, that should be our top 3
Quote:Jamarcus Russel had the best Pro Day ever. That's something you can take from them. :woot:
If Bridgewater were worth his salt, then blowing that out of the water should have been a cakewalk for him.
Every time you raise that "defense", it just makes his outing look that much worse. And you don't even realize it... that's the sad part.
Quote:most agree, that should be our top 3
Who is this 'most'?
Talking heads on NFL network, people on the internet?
Quote:Wow, better erase all college tape and label him a bust.
You know he was a second rounder, right?
Quote:If Bridgewater were worth his salt, then blowing that out of the water should have been a cakewalk for him.
Every time you raise that "defense", it just makes his outing look that much worse. And you don't even realize it... that's the sad part.
is it an absolute that all franchise QB's have aced their pro day? seriously.
Quote:If Bridgewater were worth his salt, then blowing that out of the water should have been a cakewalk for him.
Every time you raise that "defense", it just makes his outing look that much worse. And you don't even realize it... that's the sad part.
Is what I said not true? I've never seen so many people all of a sudden care about a pro day as much as Teddy's. THEY MEAN NOTHING. IT'S A GLORIFIED PRACTICE SESSION.
Quote:You know he was a second rounder, right?
And? He's arguably one of the best QB's in NFL history who happened to have an average pro-day just like Teddy. Is it really that hard to imply?
Quote:Is what I said not true? I've never seen so many people all of a sudden care about a pro day as much as Teddy's. THEY MEAN NOTHING. IT'S A GLORIFIED PRACTICE SESSION.
If they mean nothing, why did all these coaches and GMs show up?
Quote:If they mean nothing, why did all these coaches and GMs show up?
They show up for the 20 minute interview. Do you think a smart GM is going to allow a 50-throw session in shorts to override 3 years of game tape? Think about it, honestly.
Teddy Bridgewater and Jamarcus Russell, there's an interesting comparison.
Quote:And? He's arguably one of the best QB's in NFL history who happened to have an average pro-day just like Teddy. Is it really that hard to imply?
Yes it is! Why was he not taken third overall? That has been my argument with Bridgewater from day 1, great value pick mid-first/ huge risk at pick 3. Nobody is saying he is a terrible player, just a question mark with the third pick .Yet it seems when someone says that, you run around here stomping your feet and namecalling.
Outside of a generalized answer or two, this thread has become a pro-Teddy thread.
Pro Days are a last-ditched fail safe for prospects that had a bad Combine. Prospects that were invited to the Combine, pledging to work out, then finking on that, have themselves to blame when they fail on Pro Day. It's their own poor attitude toward showcasing their talent, their own bad decision to not work out when healthy, and sprinkle it all with Mighty Casey at Bat supreme over-self-confidence.
What's the term? Trust, but verify?
I could be 100% wrong here, but Pro Days were developed actually by universities to pitch other players [players not fortunate enough to receive a Combine invite] who have given outstanding service to the school and the surrounding community.
Colleges use the remaining affiliation they have with the star player hoping to lure in more pro scouts to see the "rest of the team".
Sure the star player will be at the Pro Day, but he's already proven himself at the Senior Bowl [except when juniors flood the draft class] and the Scouting Combine. A lot of times in the past, didn't the star player not work out at the Pro Day? He would act as an ambassador for the rest of his team mates.
Quote:Outside of a generalized answer or two, this thread has become a pro-Teddy thread.
Pro Days are a last-ditched fail safe for prospects that had a bad Combine. Prospects that were invited to the Combine, pledging to work out, then finking on that, have themselves to blame when they fail on Pro Day. It's their own poor attitude toward showcasing their talent, their own bad decision to not work out when healthy, and sprinkle it all with Mighty Casey at Bat supreme over-self-confidence.
What's the term? Trust, but verify?
I could be 100% wrong here, but Pro Days were developed actually by universities to pitch other players [players not fortunate enough to receive a Combine invite] who have given outstanding service to the school and the surrounding community.
Colleges use the remaining affiliation they have with the star player hoping to lure in more pro scouts to see the "rest of the team".
Sure the star player will be at the Pro Day, but he's already proven himself at the Senior Bowl [except when juniors flood the draft class] and the Scouting Combine. A lot of times in the past, didn't the star player not work out at the Pro Day? He would act as an ambassador for the rest of his team mates.
Kind of like how schools set up career days where businesses send their HR personnel to scout prospective employees on campus. Kudos to them for not leaving out the athletic profession.
Quote:is it an absolute that all franchise QB's have aced their pro day? seriously.
Then name a franchise QB that had one so bad. Just one.
("seriously"...)
Quote:Then name a franchise QB that had one so bad. Just one.
("seriously"...)
It's been said that Matt Ryan and Peyton Manning's were both average. Bortles' wasn't any better than Teddy's, and I've watched every throw of both of their's twice without bias. Bortles had a bunch of low passes short, high and behind in the intermediate crosses, and his receivers had to adjust to almost every ball deep. Despite a bunch of off target throws for both I still like Bortles, and I still like Teddy a bit more.
The difference, ESPN can have a talking head tweet out that Teddy was 'average at best' and Jaws can say 'Bortles was 10/10' and all of the sudden the zombies who do none of their own studying think they have it all figured out. That would have never happened a decade ago.
To further expound:
Dane Brugler <span style="color:rgb(177,187,195);">@dpbrugler</span> 2h
<p style="color:rgb(41,47,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(245,248,250);">Just texted a NFL scout buddy about the overreactions to Pro Days this week. His response: "Hahaha most in the media don't get it"
Quote:It's been said that Matt Ryan and Peyton Manning's were both average. Bortles' wasn't any better than Teddy's, and I've watched every throw of both of their's twice without bias. Bortles had a bunch of low passes short, high and behind in the intermediate crosses, and his receivers had to adjust to almost every ball deep. Despite a bunch of off target throws for both I still like Bortles, and I still like Teddy a bit more.
The difference, ESPN can have a talking head tweet out that Teddy was 'average at best' and Jaws can say 'Bortles was 10/10' and all of the sudden the zombies who do none of their own studying think they have it all figured out. That would have never happened a decade ago.
To further expound:
<div style="color:rgb(41,47,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(245,248,250);">Dane Brugler <span style="color:rgb(177,187,195);">@dpbrugler</span> 2h
<p style="color:rgb(41,47,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(245,248,250);">Just texted a NFL scout buddy about the overreactions to Pro Days this week. His response: "Hahaha most in the media don't get it"
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I hate to burst your bubble, but the truth is...
Ryans wasn't bad, and Manning's wasn't as bad.
Quote:I hate to burst your bubble, but the truth is...
Ryans wasn't bad, and Manning's wasn't as bad.
Like you have a clue haha