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<div style="color:rgb(41,47,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14.285714149475098px;background-color:rgb(245,248,250);">Tania Ganguli <span style="color:rgb(177,187,195);">@taniaganguli</span> 34m
<p style="color:rgb(41,47,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14.285714149475098px;background-color:rgb(245,248,250);">smart. RT @SalaryCap101: Looks like JAX is structuring contracts where no signing bonus is used and the cap # is equaling cash.
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I guess that puts more of the cap hit into this year, since signing bonuses are used to spread out the cap hit. It would also make it easier to cut these guys and not take any cap hit at all.
Quote:I guess that puts more of the cap hit into this year, since signing bonuses are used to spread out the cap hit. It would also make it easier to cut these guys and not take any cap hit at all.
Bingo.
In regards to having to cut one of the players, the band-aid has already been ripped off so to speak. Since all of their money is wrapped up in Salary and Roster Bonus, that means that the Cap hit isn't spread out over the life of the contract. Once the team pays it, it's on the Cap. There's no pushing stuff out if I'm understanding the situation correctly.
Quote:Bingo.
In regards to having to cut one of the players, the band-aid has already been ripped off so to speak. Since all of their money is wrapped up in Salary and Roster Bonus, that means that the Cap hit isn't spread out over the life of the contract. Once the team pays it, it's on the Cap. There's no pushing stuff out if I'm understanding the situation correctly.
I'm confused. I thought that would mean almost all of the money is in the signing bonus. Or is it like this for a 16 million deal for 4 years:
2m signing bonus
7m year one
3m year two
2m year three
2m year four
Quote:Bingo.
In regards to having to cut one of the players, the band-aid has already been ripped off so to speak. Since all of their money is wrapped up in Salary and Roster Bonus, that means that the Cap hit isn't spread out over the life of the contract. Once the team pays it, it's on the Cap. There's no pushing stuff out if I'm understanding the situation correctly.
From what I have read, it sounds like the right move too.
Quote:I'm confused. I thought that would mean almost all of the money is in the signing bonus. Or is it like this for a 16 million deal for 4 years:
2m signing bonus
7m year one
3m year two
2m year three
2m year four
The only "money tool" that pushes out a Cap Hit - and has the potential to come back and bite you - is a Signing Bonus. In the four year contract scenario you just described that $2 million Signing bonus will get spread out evenly over the life of the contract. Essentially being a $500k hit each year. If you cut the player, all of the remaining Cap hit from that Signing Bonus will accelerate onto the current year. Roster Bonus is different though, it does
not spread out over the contract and it is felt on the cap when it is paid.
Now, If you
don't put in a Signing Bonus and all of the player's money comes from a combination of Salary and Roster Bonus, then the only hit that you will see will be in the money actually paid. So let's adjust your scenario so that the player still gets his contract value at $16 million, he still gets his upfront money - which is what we all want - but not use a Signing Bonus:
$2m signing bonus
$2m Roster Bonus
$7m year one
$3m year two
$2m year three
$2m year four
Now, the team only sees a cap hit for what it pays out. This means that the Cap hit in Year one is $9m due to the combination of the $2m Roster Bonus and the $7m Salary for that year. If the team has to cut the player before year three, then the remaining $4 million on the contract will not be felt on the Cap.
If you have the space for it, getting a player to sign with a Roster Bonus is the way to go in my opinion, due to the way that I understand the Cap working.
So Alfie has updated to about 30 mil in room which will drop to 25 after the draft signings. Based on the contract structures they'll have more space next year anyway, but I still want to be able to roll over a good amount. I think one more starting interior lineman is in order before we sit back for bargains if anything.
We need a center and another guard cause Will Rackley is terrible
Sorry, tried to copy and paste and it blew up. The chart on the link is much easier to read.
Quote:So Alfie has updated to about 30 mil in room which will drop to 25 after the draft signings. Based on the contract structures they'll have more space next year anyway, but I still want to be able to roll over a good amount. I think one more starting interior lineman is in order before we sit back for bargains if anything.
There are still some guys out there. Dietrich-Smith, De La Puente, Ryan Wendell. Shelley Smith is still out there I think. I remember reading he might be a good fit in the zone blocking scheme.
At this point, the money around the league is drying up,. You could get these guys probably on two year deals, worth 2 million a year.
Quote:The only "money tool" that pushes out a Cap Hit - and has the potential to come back and bite you - is a Signing Bonus. In the four year contract scenario you just described that $2 million Signing bonus will get spread out evenly over the life of the contract. Essentially being a $500k hit each year. If you cut the player, all of the remaining Cap hit from that Signing Bonus will accelerate onto the current year. Roster Bonus is different though, it does not spread out over the contract and it is felt on the cap when it is paid.
Now, If you don't put in a Signing Bonus and all of the player's money comes from a combination of Salary and Roster Bonus, then the only hit that you will see will be in the money actually paid. So let's adjust your scenario so that the player still gets his contract value at $16 million, he still gets his upfront money - which is what we all want - but not use a Signing Bonus:
$2m signing bonus
$2m Roster Bonus
$7m year one
$3m year two
$2m year three
$2m year four
Now, the team only sees a cap hit for what it pays out. This means that the Cap hit in Year one is $9m due to the combination of the $2m Roster Bonus and the $7m Salary for that year. If the team has to cut the player before year three, then the remaining $4 million on the contract will not be felt on the Cap.
If you have the space for it, getting a player to sign with a Roster Bonus is the way to go in my opinion, due to the way that I understand the Cap working.
Thanks Deacon. I had confused roster and signing bonuses.
Quote:Thanks Deacon. I had confused roster and signing bonuses.
No problem, happy to discuss it. One thing though is that my understanding of the Cap and the way the hits work is from back in the Ketchman days. Some items may have changed with the new CBA so don't take all of that as gospel.
Quote:League Cap Report
This Report is generated at 8 AM, 12 PM, 4 PM and 8 PM daily
Year:
2014
Unadjusted Team Cap:
$133,000,000.00
Team
Current Contracts
Previous Year Carryover
Team Cap
Cap Room
TOTAL
$177,689,317.00
$3,763,193,059.00
$636,041,794.00
AVERAGE/TEAM
Cleveland Browns
65
$24,537,568.00
$105,162,973.00
$51,754,783.00
https://www.nflplayers.com/reports/RunPu...port=top51
Interested in how they structured contracts to still have such a high cap still...because they started @ 57 million.
Whitner and Dansby signed bigger contracts than any of our signings correct?
I guess they back loaded to be able to match any crazy Mack frontload offer.
Quote:The jaguars lead the lead in current contracts
If we keep all of our picks we're only 3 players away from a 90 man camp roster even if we're done in free agency.
I don't think you have to worry too much about cap at this time. Some of the older players you signed this year (like Clemons and Bryant) will most likely be off the book in 2 or 3 years, when you'll have to re-sign some of the young stars you hopefully drafted last and this year. If latest reports are true, cap can also go up to $150M in 2016, so there will be even more money availlable. Of course that doesn't mean you have to be careless and just overpay some "big named players" in free agency, if you can find the same or better value elsewhere.
From what I've read in my time here, I believe Jags have a clear plan what they want to do. They will continue to build through the draft, but with all cap space availlable, I can also see you be even more agressive in next free agency and target one or two younger players (coming off their rookie contracts), who will be a cornerstone of the team in next 5 or 6 years, not just 2 or 3. If you can win 7 or 8 games this season and draft an exciting young QB (whoever that will be), it will be a lot easier to "sell" what you're doing to all of young free agents, not just Seattle ones, who already know Gus.