Quote:Mack is just as big of a risk as Manziel of busting, if not more. Small school LB....Not something I'd want to spend a pick as high as 3 on.
If Clown & Bridge are gone and the Jags don't select Manziel at 3, then I hope they just trade down.
Quote:Manziel is a way bigger risk
Gotta post this again.
In the past 10 drafts:
Only three LBs were drafted in the top 5 (Von Miller 2011 2nd, Aaron Curry 2009 4th, AJ Hawk 2006 5th)
Only one LB drafted #3 or higher (Von Miller)
If we're drafting Mack #3 he should be Von Miller talent or better, a once in a decade type prospect.
LBS drafted in the top 10:
2013 Barkevious Mingo 6th
2012 Luke Kuechly 9th
2011 Von Miller 2nd, Aldon Smith 7th
2010 Rolondo McClain 8th
2009 Aaron Curry 4th
2008 Keith Rivers 9th, Jerod Mayo 10th
2007 N/A
2006 A.J. Hawk 5th, Ernie Sims 9th
2005 N/A
2004 N/A
Quote:Gotta post this again.
In the past 10 drafts:
Only three LBs were drafted in the top 5 (Von Miller 2011 2nd, Aaron Curry 2009 4th, AJ Hawk 2006 5th)
Only one LB drafted #3 or higher (Von Miller)
If we're drafting Mack #3 he should be Von Miller talent or better, a once in a decade type prospect.
LBS drafted in the top 10:
2013 Barkevious Mingo 6th
2012 Luke Kuechly 9th
2011 Von Miller 2nd, Aldon Smith 7th
2010 Rolondo McClain 8th
2009 Aaron Curry 4th
2008 Keith Rivers 9th, Jerod Mayo 10th
2007 N/A
2006 A.J. Hawk 5th, Ernie Sims 9th
2005 N/A
2004 N/A
Not really sure what your point is.
Quote:Not really sure what your point is.
Not much more point than was already in that post. #3 is high for drafting a LB. You can routinely get the best of linebackers anywhere in the 1st round. You can argue he's a LEO, but LEO isn't necessarily a premium position either, even if it's considered one on this team. I'm not saying he's worth the pick or not. But remember when Chance Warmack was the "best player in the draft"?
Quote:Not much more point than was already in that post. #3 is high for drafting a LB. You can routinely get the best of linebackers anywhere in the 1st round. You can argue he's a LEO, but LEO isn't necessarily a premium position either, even if it's considered one on this team. I'm not saying he's worth the pick or not. But remember when Chance Warmack was the "best player in the draft"?
So even if he's the best prospect available, he's ok to be drafted at 6 but not at 3?
A pass-rusher is typically considered a premium position whether they are lining up at OLB, DE, or as a "LEO".
And I'm not sure what you're getting at with Chance Warmack.
Quote:So even if he's the best prospect available, he's ok to be drafted at 6 but not at 3?
A pass-rusher is typically considered a premium position whether they are lining up at OLB, DE, or as a "LEO".
And I'm not sure what you're getting at with Chance Warmack.
From what I understood, one of the advantages to our new defense was that the LEO played a very specific role, and could be found later in the draft because their skillset is limited. A LEO on this team may be only a situational pass rusher or a DPR on another team. Gus supposedly doesn't intend to blitz much, so an OLB would not seem to be a significant pass rusher on this defense. Maybe he moves him around, maybe he has a plan to use him. Maybe he is the best player. I don't know. But my guess is LBs aren't routinely picked this high for a reason. I want a premium position (and I do consider WR a premium position these days), or if you're not high on those players, try to trade back.
No thanks on a WR that early.
Gimme the athletic pass rusher.
If he can play LB, that's a bonus.
More "toys" for Babich to scheme with.
Quote:From what I understood, one of the advantages to our new defense was that the LEO played a very specific role, and could be found later in the draft because their skillset is limited. A LEO on this team may be only a situational pass rusher or a DPR on another team. Gus supposedly doesn't intend to blitz much, so an OLB would not seem to be a significant pass rusher on this defense. Maybe he moves him around, maybe he has a plan to use him. Maybe he is the best player. I don't know. But my guess is LBs aren't routinely picked this high for a reason. I want a premium position (and I do consider WR a premium position these days), or if you're not high on those players, try to trade back.
Wasn't the Seahawks LEO drafted in the top half of the first round? We don't get to choose where we pick or do an auction bidding type thing.
Quote:Gotta post this again.
In the past 10 drafts:
Only three LBs were drafted in the top 5 (Von Miller 2011 2nd, Aaron Curry 2009 4th, AJ Hawk 2006 5th)
Only one LB drafted #3 or higher (Von Miller)
If we're drafting Mack #3 he should be Von Miller talent or better, a once in a decade type prospect.
LBS drafted in the top 10:
2013 Barkevious Mingo 6th
2012 Luke Kuechly 9th
2011 Von Miller 2nd, Aldon Smith 7th
2010 Rolondo McClain 8th
2009 Aaron Curry 4th
2008 Keith Rivers 9th, Jerod Mayo 10th
2007 N/A
2006 A.J. Hawk 5th, Ernie Sims 9th
2005 N/A
2004 N/A
Then you separate out those 'LB' from the 'pass rushers' like Mack is. Miller, Aldon Mingo...all 3 are/look like they will be great players. The busts...Hawk, Sims, Rivers, Mayo, Curry, McClain are not pass rushers.
Pretty flawed stat when LB is such a broad brushing term. Mack is in the pass rushing aka are/look like they will be great players category...and there were no busts on your list from that category.
Quote:Wasn't the Seahawks LEO drafted in the top half of the first round? We don't get to choose where we pick or do an auction bidding type thing.
Well, no. Chris Clemons is the Seahawks LEO not Bruce Irvin, at least not until Clemons is released or retires then Irvin will possibly be moved from SAM to LEO.
Clemons was undrafted btw.
Quote:Then you separate out those 'LB' from the 'pass rushers' like Mack is. Miller, Aldon Mingo...all 3 are/look like they will be great players. The busts...Hawk, Sims, Rivers, Mayo, Curry, McClain are not pass rushers.
Pretty flawed stat when LB is such a broad brushing term. Mack is in the pass rushing aka are/look like they will be great players category...and there were no busts on your list from that category.
Fair enough. But my perspective is that WHEN we are a good team, and then a great team, we will not be in a position to draft one of the elite prospects at a premium position like we are now. This could be an opportunity that may not come around for quite some time. Because of the design of our defense, two premium positions, pass rusher and cornerback, could be had later in the draft. So it's ideal to focus on the premium positions that are left over (QB, OT, WR). I'm not talking as much about bust potential. I'm talking about getting the most value, and fulfilling the most needs. Look at Seattle, they played themselves out of that premium spot, and ended up both trading for a QB, and giving up a 1st for a WR shortly after. Sure they lucked out by drafting Wilson in the 3rd, but that's beside the point.
Mack will be a very good player in this league. I like Watkins, a lot, but I think with the importance of the LEO position on the defensive side of the ball Mack would be the pick.
Quote:Well, no. Chris Clemons is the Seahawks LEO not Bruce Irvin, at least not until Clemons is released or retires then Irvin will possibly be moved from SAM to LEO.
Clemons was undrafted btw.
Ah my bad, thought it was Irvin. Either way, we need a OLB too. In a perfect world where we wanted Mack and knew we could get him at 6, we'd trade back, but that's easier said than done.
Jags biggest problem is getting into the endzone. Gimme Watkins to pair with shorts so shorts can be a weapon again.
Quote:Not much more point than was already in that post. #3 is high for drafting a LB. You can routinely get the best of linebackers anywhere in the 1st round. You can argue he's a LEO, but LEO isn't necessarily a premium position either, even if it's considered one on this team. I'm not saying he's worth the pick or not. But remember when Chance Warmack was the "best player in the draft"?
LEO is a premium position on our team.
The only reason you take a WR that early is if he is Megatron, Fitz, or AJ Green type guy.
Watkins is not that.
Quote:The only reason you take a WR that early is if he is Megatron, Fitz, or AJ Green type guy.
Watkins is not that.
Some are suggesting he is.
Quote:The only reason you take a WR that early is if he is Megatron, Fitz, or AJ Green type guy.
Watkins is not that.
I wouldn't put Green in that category yet, so if no off the field issues, Blackmon wouldn't have been worth taking at #3 or #4 by the Browns?
Quote:I wouldn't put Green in that category yet, so if no off the field issues, Blackmon wouldn't have been worth taking at #3 or #4 by the Browns?
Green is definitely the same type of receiver as CJ. Tall, fast, and amazing hands.
Is Blackmin elite like those guys? Not imo. He good tho.
Quote:Some are suggesting he is.
Idk how that is possible given his height.