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I kept trying to figure out where they would end it... It was so perfect!  My wife and I came home and watched Episode IV immediately after!  LOL

 

The concept of sacrifice in that movie was well hashed out.  Oh and the Vader scene at the end.  Sublime!! 

 

Seriously, the best thing that happened to the Star Wars franchise was kicking George Lucas to the curb.  I honestly think they should remove the prequels from cannon and re-do them all together.  Make Anakin older when he met up with Ben, and just re-do the whole thing...

 

Anyways, as for the list...

 

I think I'd go like this

 

Empire

Rogue One

Jedi 

A New Hope

 

I haven't seen Force Awakens because I'm getting my wife and daughter into Star Wars.  I've hooked my wife and daughter after seeing Rogue One!  

 

I really hope they do more Rogue films!  They could totally make the Rogue films that are set in-between the action within the trilogy...  

Empire

A New Hope

Rogue One


...


Return


Return gets serious demerits due to the presence of Ewoks.
Quote:Empire

A New Hope

Rogue One


...


Return


Return gets serious demerits due to the presence of Ewoks.
 

But the Leia slave bikini...  So it's a push...
Quote:But the Leia slave bikini...  So it's a push...
. Slave bikini was clutch, but the Emperor and his one liners are what I really love about ROTJ.
I loved it. Absolutely loved it. There were some stretches that felt off in a Star Wars film, maybe a bit grittier than I really wanted it to be during the shootout in Jedha, but the characters and plot were amazing, and the final space battle is arguably the best in cinematic history. I won't go any farther into spoilers beyond making three points that seem salient:
  • Thank glob Darth Vader is finally, fully healed from his prequel suckiness and restored to being the OG [BLEEP] of the galaxy
  • More Tarkin in the future, please. I know there's only so much that can be done with a guy who's going to die in, like, three days, but still
  • It's refreshing to see that in a society capable of planet-killing super lasers and hyperspace drives, they still rely on magnetic platter hard drives to store all their evil plans.
The thing that I think the movie missed out on is showing/telling more of Vader's story.


He has become such a monumental figure in the movies that it's kind of easy to forget that he was really nothing more than a goon in Ep Four. If you remember, Imperial officers talked down to him and Tarkin bossed him around like any other underling.


Then in Empire he had much more authority and sway within the Imperial Army / Navy. Ostensibly, this is because of the vacuum that was caused with the Moff's death and I can get behind that but it doesn't change what he was in Ep Four.


But Rogue One treated him as "Lord" Vader and all of the trappings that title implies which is earlier in the timeline than Ep Four. Wouldn't it have been better to see Vader grow into his new position? Maybe make HIM the rival to Crennic rather than Tarkin?


All in all, I enjoyed the movie. It was well casted, well acted and they had a sharp eye for detail and character development.


And I LOVED how they let Vader off his chain there at the end.
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Seriously, the best thing that happened to the Star Wars franchise was kicking George Lucas to the curb. I honestly think they should remove the prequels from cannon and re-do them all together. Make Anakin older when he met up with Ben, and just re-do the whole thing...


I keep thinking about this and the more I kick it around, the more I like it.


There are some strong characters in those movies but almost zero story. You could easily redo that whole storyline in about two movies and I think we'd all be better off for it.
Quote:I keep thinking about this and the more I kick it around, the more I like it.


There are some strong characters in those movies but almost zero story. You could easily redo that whole storyline in about two movies and I think we'd all be better off for it.
I would even be almost okay with the same actors playing the same characters because they had a stellar cast outside of Jake Lloyd, which wasn't his fault, he was just horribly miscast. That being said, it would be distracting if they were to do that, so I would be happy with a Mulligan.

 

For those who don't know, according to the urban dictionary: A Mulligan, in a game, happens when a player gets a second chance to perform a certain move or action; usually due to lack of skill or bitter luck. A "Do-Over".
The term is used for pretty much any do-over, not just in sport.
Dang, this movie must be really good if you guys and gals are ranking it up there...

 

I'm going to have to check it out pretty soon now and my inner nerd is excited.

Quote:The thing that I think the movie missed out on is showing/telling more of Vader's story.


He has become such a monumental figure in the movies that it's kind of easy to forget that he was really nothing more than a goon in Ep Four. If you remember, Imperial officers talked down to him and Tarkin bossed him around like any other underling.


Then in Empire he had much more authority and sway within the Imperial Army / Navy. Ostensibly, this is because of the vacuum that was caused with the Moff's death and I can get behind that but it doesn't change what he was in Ep Four.


But Rogue One treated him as "Lord" Vader and all of the trappings that title implies which is earlier in the timeline than Ep Four. Wouldn't it have been better to see Vader grow into his new position? Maybe make HIM the rival to Crennic rather than Tarkin?


All in all, I enjoyed the movie. It was well casted, well acted and they had a sharp eye for detail and character development.


And I LOVED how they let Vader off his chain there at the end.
 

PSA: This post is all kinds of spoiler. Don't read it if that bothers you.

 

Well, I mean, we've already been told Vader's story. Like, many times. Six movies and a TV show that ran for five years. It's time to move past Darth Vader's story, because we know it already.

 

Vader wasn't exactly a goon in Episode IV. The Rebels TV show, which is canon, makes it pretty clear that he's in charge of the efforts to track down and destroy all remaining Jedi. Managing the Imperial Fleet falls outside his job description until he earns it, more or less. The admirals distrust him for any number of reasons, but one possibility stands out: Anakin's relationship with the admirals in Clone Wars was...strained...at times. If there were rumblings going around that this black-suited killing machine called Vader was actually Anakin Skywalker, they might feel outright threatened by his presence to the point where they wanted to continually pee on their starships and put Vader in his place. As far as Tarkin goes, the Clone Wars TV series made it clear that he and Anakin had a long history of working together and they had a great deal of respect for each other. I think it's more likely that they were equals in Episode IV, with Tarkin in charge of the Death Star (and possibly the Imperial Fleet) and Vader in more of an enforcer role with broader responsibilities that took a back seat to, you know, recovering the Death Star plans and killing off those pesky Jedi once and for all. I also think it's highly likely that Tarkin was one of a very few people who actually knew--not suspected, knew--that Vader and Anakin were one and the same.

 

So if Vader and Tarkin were equals, why was Tarkin bossing Vader around? Simple. The Death Star was "Tarkin's Folly", not Vader's. He had overseen the station's construction, far more so than Director Krennic actually had, and Vader knew it. How else do you explain the scene between Vader and Krennic? Had most people asked such a stupid question of Vader, he may well have killed them on the spot, particularly if he knew of Tarkin's distaste for Krennic (he probably did). Instead, Vader made a point of reminding the thorn in his friend's side that asking Vader to align himself against Tarkin was almost as stupid as aligning himself against Tarkin in the first place. Tarkin gave Vader orders and Vader obeyed them because he respected his longtime collaborator and probable friend, and because in matters relating to the Death Star, Tarkin's word would have been second only to Palpatine's.

 

I also think you're misinterpreting Krennic's role. He's not a threat to Tarkin, and he never was. The plot makes it very clear that despite his grand ambitions and his grand claims about his work on the Death Star, the sad truth is that he's just a middle-manager trying to get noticed by the CEO. He was a nuisance to Tarkin. A necessary one because his presence was moving the project along, but a nuisance all the same. Good luck convincing me that Tarkin's wry grin at the realization that he could destroy Scarif and prevent the plans' release once and for all wasn't partly because he was enjoying the thought of blowing Krennic into space dust.

 

And yeah, I was thrilled to finally see Vader on the big screen being a [BLEEP] again. After three Anakin films punctuated by the most scrawny, pathetic Vader appearance ever, the reminder that he is the most dangerous man in the galaxy was awesome.
Quote:Dang, this movie must be really good if you guys and gals are ranking it up there...

 

I'm going to have to check it out pretty soon now and my inner nerd is excited.
 

I'm checking my enthusiasm.

 

I've also heard from others that it's better than the prequels, but that's it.

 

Certainly seems embraced closer by the younger fans, than those who grew up with the originals.
Quote:PSA: This post is all kinds of spoiler. Don't read it if that bothers you.

 

Well, I mean, we've already been told Vader's story. Like, many times. Six movies and a TV show that ran for five years. It's time to move past Darth Vader's story, because we know it already.

 

Vader wasn't exactly a goon in Episode IV. The Rebels TV show, which is canon, makes it pretty clear that he's in charge of the efforts to track down and destroy all remaining Jedi. Managing the Imperial Fleet falls outside his job description until he earns it, more or less. The admirals distrust him for any number of reasons, but one possibility stands out: Anakin's relationship with the admirals in Clone Wars was...strained...at times. If there were rumblings going around that this black-suited killing machine called Vader was actually Anakin Skywalker, they might feel outright threatened by his presence to the point where they wanted to continually pee on their starships and put Vader in his place. As far as Tarkin goes, the Clone Wars TV series made it clear that he and Anakin had a long history of working together and they had a great deal of respect for each other. I think it's more likely that they were equals in Episode IV, with Tarkin in charge of the Death Star (and possibly the Imperial Fleet) and Vader in more of an enforcer role with broader responsibilities that took a back seat to, you know, recovering the Death Star plans and killing off those pesky Jedi once and for all. I also think it's highly likely that Tarkin was one of a very few people who actually knew--not suspected, knew--that Vader and Anakin were one and the same.

 

So if Vader and Tarkin were equals, why was Tarkin bossing Vader around? Simple. The Death Star was "Tarkin's Folly", not Vader's. He had overseen the station's construction, far more so than Director Krennic actually had, and Vader knew it. How else do you explain the scene between Vader and Krennic? Had most people asked such a stupid question of Vader, he may well have killed them on the spot, particularly if he knew of Tarkin's distaste for Krennic (he probably did). Instead, Vader made a point of reminding the thorn in his friend's side that asking Vader to align himself against Tarkin was almost as stupid as aligning himself against Tarkin in the first place. Tarkin gave Vader orders and Vader obeyed them because he respected his longtime collaborator and probable friend, and because in matters relating to the Death Star, Tarkin's word would have been second only to Palpatine's.

 

I also think you're misinterpreting Krennic's role. He's not a threat to Tarkin, and he never was. The plot makes it very clear that despite his grand ambitions and his grand claims about his work on the Death Star, the sad truth is that he's just a middle-manager trying to get noticed by the CEO. He was a nuisance to Tarkin. A necessary one because his presence was moving the project along, but a nuisance all the same. Good luck convincing me that Tarkin's wry grin at the realization that he could destroy Scarif and prevent the plans' release once and for all wasn't partly because he was enjoying the thought of blowing Krennic into space dust.

 

And yeah, I was thrilled to finally see Vader on the big screen being a [BAD WORD REMOVED] again. After three Anakin films punctuated by the most scrawny, pathetic Vader appearance ever, the reminder that he is the most dangerous man in the galaxy was awesome.
 

 

That's a great take on it, and one that I admittedly hadn't thought of. Then again, I haven't seen all of Clone Wars, although I did see one of the Tarkin episodes, so maybe that was the piece I was missing. I just didn't put together that Tarkin and him viewed each other as "co-workers" so to speak.

 

And you're right about Vader's story being told, but to me there's just a big, giant, glaring gap as to his motivations. Yes, I know that there were movies about it and all, and I can fill in the blanks, but a big part of movie-going to me is them telling me the story. And I'm not certain if you've read the "Tarkin" novel or not, but yes, he does know Vader's identity. 
I'm going to go ahead and agree with the ranking by people here

 

  1. Empire
  2. Rogue one
  3. Jedi
  4. new hope
  5. force awakens.
  6. EP2
  7. EP3
  8. the stupid podracing one.  We get it you can do more with CGI now.
Am I the only one who has Jedi ranked dead last of the originals?  It was simply a remake of New Hope... one big sappy reunion.

 

My current list is:

 

  1. Empire
  2. New Hope
<p style="margin:0px;">(big gap here)

  1. Force Awakens
  2. Jedi
  3. EP2
  4. EP3
  5. EP1
<p style="margin:0px;">I'll update it after I see Rogue.  Empire likely can't be touched.  And to me, New Hope is head and shoulders above as well because without it working, there would be no others to speak of. That's a testament to how good it is.

We saw it today and liked it very much. Being as I was five years old when the original came out and remember seeing it at the theater, that should tell you how much of an impression it made on me. The original trilogy will always be my favorites. I very much liked Rogue One and The Force Awakens, but I will never love them. The other three..... I appreciate the effort and own the DVDs but I barely tolerate them and do so only because the cast was exceptional even if their acting wasn't.


There was a lot in the final act of RO that reminded me of our military and the places and even the enemy they have fought. I loved the scene where Darth Vader went all Darth Vader on those dudes. Classic. I don't want to say much more so as not to spoil it, but if you're a fan and go in with an open mind I think you will like it.
Saw it last night, that end was fantastic.

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It was! I loved the end and am actually glad [spoiler]Jyn and Cpt. Andor and pretty much everyone bought the farm. It would have been so cliche had Jyn and Andor been magically saved at the last minute like I was totally expecting. Plus it ties in with what Leia says in ANH about how many folks died to get the rebel alliance those plans. [/spoiler] And Ben Mendelsohn is such a good bad guy. I loved him in the Netflix series Bloodline.
Quote:It was! I loved the end and am actually glad [spoiler]Jyn and Cpt. Andor and pretty much everyone bought the farm. It would have been so cliche had Jyn and Andor been magically saved at the last minute like I was totally expecting. Plus it ties in with what Leia says in ANH about how many folks died to get the rebel alliance those plans. [/spoiler] And Ben Mendelsohn is such a good bad guy. I loved him in the Netflix series Bloodline.
 

I thought that line occurred in "Jedi" when Mothma states "Many Bothans died to bring us this information."
Quote:I thought that line occurred in "Jedi" when Mothma states "Many Bothans died to bring us this information."


You may be right. It's been a while since I've seen them.
SPOILERS BELOW


This was a movie for fans and enjoyable, but for all the excitement and Easter eggs, it had some flaws. It was good, and filled in some blanks in the larger story, but I wouldn't crown it the second best Star Wars movie. I think there's a nostalgia factor that lends to the enjoyment factor, but I found Force Awakens to be a stronger overall movie. This one started out bouncing from place to place with characters who were barely defined, but because there was a familiar backdrop people overlooked that we barely knew their names. That robot was awesome. And it was great to see a SW film end on the somber down note like Empire. But this was a straight fan movie. If you didn't know anything about the history (i.e.- if you are the 8 year old kid who only sorta knows the saga), this stand alone film is about a girl who sees her family killed by bad guys and gives her life so that those bad guys might not win in the end. Sure it's a nice segue to New Hope.


The thing that got me was the end. The whole Rebel fleet can hyperspace to right outside the shield gate. Okay. Then the Death Star hyperspaces there and fires a shot. Hang on.. I didn't realize the moon-sized ball of death had the ability to hyperspace. If it does, why did we have to wait for it to move into position at the end of a New Hope? Surely the engineers could have plotted a course which would have plopped them into similar position to take out the Rebels in the original Star Wars, no? But in that film the Death Star was a slow moving misery machine we needed to wait in suspense for.. would the Rebels destroy it before it moved into position? We know how it ended, but this piece of the larger puzzle didn't fit for me and it's all I have thought about since watching it.
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