Quote:lol with the continued forced angle of "record breaking contracts" regarding Byrd/ Orakpo etc....the top players in FA usually set that level every single year, and then it quickly is topped by the next crop of FA's.
As said, you usually get what you pay for, so if we avoid players like the above 2, then don't expect significant improvement in those areas, hence expect less overall improvement. Go team.
Byrd is on record stating he wants to be the highest paid safety in the league. If he is as good as you seem to think he is he's going to warrant that type of "record breaking contract".
Quote:lol with the continued forced angle of "record breaking contracts" regarding Byrd/ Orakpo etc....the top players in FA usually set that level every single year, and then it quickly is topped by the next crop of FA's.
As said, you usually get what you pay for, so if we avoid players like the above 2, then don't expect significant improvement in those areas, hence expect less overall improvement. Go team.
I think Mack, Byrd, Graham, and maybe Hardy would have gotten record breaking contracts. Orakpo, Michael Johnson, Monroe, Melton, etc...they would/will get very big deals but not record breaking.
Also in FA, you very very rarely get what you pay for no matter who you go for (especially with the huge deals). That's why draft and develop is generally seen as the best way to build for sustainability.
Quote:Byrd is on record stating he wants to be the highest paid safety in the league. If he is as good as you seem to think he is he's going to warrant that type of "record breaking contract".
I never disputed that. It happens pretty much every single FA period. Byrd's contract will be beaten next year, and then the following FA period will top next years, and so on. I'm making fun of the attempt to dissuade from going after Byrd with the use of "record contract" lingo.
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Also in FA, you very very rarely get what you pay for no matter who you go for (especially with the huge deals). That's why draft and develop is generally seen as the best way to build for sustainability.
And for the most part I agree.
Not saying to build the entire roster with continued high priced FA's year after year. But in the Jaguars situation, the need to add a few of these difference makers to get the ball rolling, combined with the players added via draft is the way to get this team over the hump. Once over the hump, then the need for high priced FA's lessens and they can continue to fortify through the draft.
Quote:And for the most part I agree.
Not saying to build the entire roster with continued high priced FA's year after year. But in the Jaguars situation, the need to add a few of these difference makers to get the ball rolling, combined with the players added via draft is the way to get this team over the hump. Once over the hump, then the need for high priced FA's lessens and they can continue to fortify through the draft.
I think it will be the exact opposite, like the Seahawks. Draft and develop until you are over the hump (and especially once you're relatively sure you have your franchise QB...or else none of it matters), then go all in with the Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett splashy FA that will put you over the top.
Quote:I think it will be the exact opposite, like the Seahawks. Draft and develop until you are over the hump (and especially once you're relatively sure you have your franchise QB...or else none of it matters), then go all in with the Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett splashy FA that will put you over the top.
lol Cliff Avril and Bennett aren't or weren't "splashy" free agents. Granted they served Seattle well, but just trying to keep it real here.
Quote:lol Cliff Avril and Bennett aren't "splashy" free agents. Granted they served Seattle well, but just trying to keep it real here.
Dude, Bennett is better (and far safer) than Orakpo...
Quote:Dude, Bennett is better (and far safer) than Orakpo...
I don't think so. Bennett is precisely the kind of FA I'd avoid. He wound up playing very good in a very good defense, but when he goes elsewhere next season watch - he'll regress, yet he'll get well overpaid, because of the Seattle stigma.
Quote:I don't think so. Bennett is precisely the kind of FA I'd avoid. He wound up playing very good in a very good defense, but when he goes elsewhere next season watch - he'll regress, yet he'll get well overpaid, because of the Seattle stigma.
He was also a stud in Tampa the year before. He's a no bones about it beast.
Quote:If it was a one or the other, would you choose Mack or Byrd?
Mack, the center of our line has been sagging so long in the run game. Just give me a dominant anchor in the middle. I want to see forward push again, like 2007!
Quote:He was also a stud in Tampa the year before. He's a no bones about it beast.
LOL, he's never been a "stud". He's never even cracked double digit QB sacks in a season.
Good player. Not great.
Will be overpaid, helped by the Seattle stigma.
Quote:Ok, well then, shoot....if we're going down the "realistic route"...
then get ready for another 4-12/ 5-11 type season next year because thats pretty realistic, too....
Wonderful.
Go team!....
I can see you're prepping for your next meltdown already.
Quote:Given the other options for Center in FA and the draft, I think I'd choose Jairus Byrd of the 2. He's a proven ball hawking Safety and one of the few available this offseason. He's a pivotal type of player for this defense.
I like Mack because he has consistently played at a very high level on a bad team. He has also been healthy. Byrd has skills, but his injury history is a concern which lowers his desirability in this wish list comparison.
Quote:I like Mack because he has consistently played at a very high level on a bad team. He has also been healthy. Byrd has skills, but his injury history is a concern which lowers his desirability in this wish list comparison.
I actually agree with your points about Mack. I like going after players who played at a high level despite being on a bad team.
Not sure that Byrd's "injury history" isn't being overblown. He missed some time this past year to injury, but I don't recall him missing games in the past due to injury.
He just got the transistion tag
Quote:He just got the transistion tag
I get these confused, is the transition tag the one that doesn't require the two first round picks? If I remember right all that does is give the Browns the right to match another teams offer...he's still in play if that's the case. I think another team will throw a lot of money at him (I hope it's us) and the Browns may not want to match that. That's my hope, anyway.
Quote:I get these confused, is the transition tag the one that doesn't require the two first round picks? If I remember right all that does is give the Browns the right to match another teams offer...he's still in play if that's the case. I think another team will throw a lot of money at him (I hope it's us) and the Browns may not want to match that. That's my hope, anyway.
Definitely still in play. But I believe with this the Browns get the right to match any offer and they have alot of cap room.
I'd like to see Mack go to the Jags, but his price tag might be a little too high.
Quote:I get these confused, is the transition tag the one that doesn't require the two first round picks? If I remember right all that does is give the Browns the right to match another teams offer...he's still in play if that's the case. I think another team will throw a lot of money at him (I hope it's us) and the Browns may not want to match that. That's my hope, anyway.
The Browns have a lot of cap room and have said he's their #1 priority several times. What the transition tag means in this case is the Browns are just going to sit back and let another team do their negotiating for them, and then they will simply match the offer sheet.
Quote:I get these confused, is the transition tag the one that doesn't require the two first round picks? If I remember right all that does is give the Browns the right to match another teams offer...he's still in play if that's the case. I think another team will throw a lot of money at him (I hope it's us) and the Browns may not want to match that. That's my hope, anyway.
We've done this before, and the trouble is, the original team has 5 days to decide if they want to match the offer, so that means the team that signs him is left hanging without knowing if they got him. Meanwhile, other free agents are on the market and you don't know if you've successfully hired a new center or not. So suppose you had another free agent center in mind if you could not sign Mack. You're sitting there twiddling your thumbs for five days not knowing if you have Mack or not. And then the other guy signs elsewhere while you are sitting there unable to make an offer because you might get Mack.