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"Ryan Flaherty" is Johnny Manziel's trainer and speed coach. He has also worked with Cam Newton and Andrew Luck and says Manziel is one of the best athletes he's ever been around. 

 

His refutation against Jaworski was not really what interested me, because everyone has their opinion. What really interested me instead is that in his doing so, Flaherty added some interesting "behind the scene" training-tidbits that I've highlighted in the text. About Johnny changing/becoming stronger for the NFL...

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Jaworski said that Manziel wouldn't last a handful of games in the NFL if he plays in the pros the way he did at Texas A&M. This statement obviously didn't sit well with the man who is training Manziel to survive the rigors of pro football.

 

<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">"Johnny knows he can't play the same way in the NFL that he did in college," Flaherty said.

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">"When you watch Johnny, he was physical in college—he went after guys he knew he could go after. He would pick and choose guys he got physical with. One guy who tried to tackle him was knocked out.

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">"But Johnny knows he can't run crazy on the next level. He'll play smart in the NFL. I would also say that any quarterback can get a concussion or hurt from just standing in the pocket. They don't have to be running. The thing about Johnny too is that he uses his quickness to get out of trouble. That quickness helps him stay healthy."

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">"I don't see how (Jaworski) could actually watch film and say what he says about Johnny. You break down Johnny's film, he puts up huge numbers against the best competition, like Alabama. He did this week in and week out in the SEC. Then you break down Blake Bortles. He had one good year. That was it. Teddy (Bridgewater) played in a really weak conference. He put up his numbers against bad competition.

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">"Johnny played in the best conference in the country. Add up all of the Alabama and Auburn guys he played against that are in the pros versus the pro guys Bortles or Bridgewater went against."

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Quote:<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">Flaherty works at Prolific Athletes and trains a select number of prospects for the combine. NFL team officials say Flaherty has risen to one of the best in the country at what he does simply because his prospects don't just train solely for the combine. They train for life in the NFL.

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">"A lot of what Johnny and I are working on now is injury prevention," Flaherty explained. "We don't do traditional type lifting. We do things that help to keep him from getting hurt."

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">This is one of the more interesting parts of the Manziel story. Manziel didn't just train for the combine. His training continues now as you read this, and that training focuses on trying not to become a casualty of injury. They are working on Manziel's sliding, for example, and doing exercises to strengthen muscles above the knee cap and hip, which are important to keep strong because those muscles can prevent injuries.

 

 

At least we know that even Johnny knows his game is going to be tweaked a little bit in the NFL, hopefully for the better.

He is starting to be my favorite option if we decide not to go the pass rusher route with our no.3 

Quote:"Ryan Flaherty" is Johnny Manziel's trainer and speed coach. He has also worked with Cam Newton and Andrew Luck and says Manziel is one of the best athletes he's ever been around. 

 

His refutation against Jaworski was not really what interested me, because everyone has their opinion. What really interested me instead is that in his doing so, Flaherty added some interesting "behind the scene" training-tidbits that I've highlighted in the text. About Johnny changing/becoming stronger for the NFL...

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At least we know that even Johnny knows his game is going to be tweaked a little bit in the NFL, hopefully for the better.

 

Ehh, what the hell.  If Teddy's gone, let's roll the dice on Johnny Autograph.

I can't take anything you say on this topic seriously because of your username.


Didn't he try playing "like he would in the NFL" against lsu? Don't think it ended well.

I'm so glad the guy training him said publicly what I've been trying to say. The whole backyard football, run around like your head is on fire playing style will stop in the bigs. Cam Newton still runs a little bit, but he is no where near the same type of QB he was at Auburn.  

Quote:I can't take anything you say on this topic seriously because of your username.

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My birth name is John and my favorite zoo-animal is the jaguar.

God.   Two and a half more months of this.  

Quote:God.   Two and a half more months of this.  

 

Two and half months is just the beginning.

 

There's still a thread active on Geno Smith.

 

What's sad, is that I'm afraid that was just the tip of the iceberg...

Quote:God.   Two and a half more months of this.  

Just try and have fun with it.

I'm sure in the months/weeks leading up to the 2012 draft, every other post on the Redskins forum was about 'RG3 this' and 'RG3 that'. And the same on the Panthers boards before they drafted Newton. And no doubt there were people on both those boards saying, 'ugh, two more months of this'. But there's excitement in the air. Certainly for me with both the possibility of Manziel or Bridgewater.

 

Listen, don't let Gabbert fool you, this city, this team has never had a TRUE top Quarterback. We've never seen what a Newton or Luck or RG3 can do for a team and for an entire city and community. If we do go QB this year at #3, all this will not be for not. Right now all the Jaguars front offices are debating, talking, discussing, and mulling-over all these very same guys. No reason the fans can't too in a civil and fun way.

While him saying his college game will need to be tweaked for the pros is great. However, once he's out there on the field with the live bullets flying, his instincts will come back to him. You can't coach instincts out of somebody. Manziel will always fall back into what his game really is.

I'm glad someone as unbiased as his own trainer would speak so highly of him.  I'm sold.

Can we please just make a JohnnyJaguar thread where he can just add every JFF slobber post he finds and we don't have to see another and another and another thread?

Quote:Can we please just make a JohnnyJaguar thread where he can just add every JFF slobber post he finds and we don't have to see another and another and another thread?

Kinda feel the same way about Teddy.. The majority of the Johnny and Teddy fans are just as jackassy..

Quote:Can we please just make a JohnnyJaguar thread where he can just add every JFF slobber post he finds and we don't have to see another and another and another thread?

 

I fear you're only annoyed because the plausibility of us getting Manziel is so slim in your mind. But think if we actually draft the kid, and he's our guy for 10 years, etc, how much 'sense' such threads like this will make then.

 

And btw, this is not just a slobber post, this actually deals with THE #1 MOST COMMON complaint against Manziel on these boards. Which is that his college game will not translate to the NFL. The point of these reports is that he's actively working with top trainers to convert his game over.

 

Hopefully by posting stuff like this, we can stop making the same incorrect and repetitive arguments against QB prospects on every single other thread.

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"Johnny played in the best conference in the country. Add up all of the Alabama and Auburn guys he played against that are in the pros versus the pro guys Bortles or Bridgewater went against."

 

This incredible bad point only works with Bortles who faced 6 current players in the NFL vs. Alabama/Auburn's 6 combined. Bridgewater actually blows his whole point all to hell just with his last three games in 2012 alone(15 combined between UConn/Rutgers/Florida) and matches the UA/AU total with the rest(6).

 

So yeah, he might wanna stop pulling crap out of his rectum on that one.

<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">"Johnny knows he can't play the same way in the NFL that he did in college," Flaherty said.

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">My question is if Manziel himself knows he can't play football the same way he did in college, what is the point of taking him high?

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">The whole appeal of taking him high in the first place is his playing style.

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">If his college playing style doesn't translate to the pros (and it doesn't), what do you have left?

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">How long will it take him to transition to an NFL style of play?

Quote:Hopefully by posting stuff like this, we can stop making the same incorrect and repetitive arguments against QB prospects on every single other thread.

Yes, because posting some quotes from his very own trainer completely delegitimizes the multitude of other real QB evaluators who have major worried about how his game translates. 

His running around doesn't bother me. It's his freestyle play that does, His antics will result in a ton of picks on the NFL.

Quote:Kinda feel the same way about Teddy.. The majority of the Johnny and Teddy fans are just as jackassy..

 

Nailed it.  I thought that was a pretty hypocritical statement, too.

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">"Johnny knows he can't play the same way in the NFL that he did in college," Flaherty said.

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">My question is if Manziel himself knows he can't play football the same way he did in college, what is the point of taking him high?

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">The whole appeal of taking him high in the first place is his playing style.

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">If his college playing style doesn't translate to the pros (and it doesn't), what do you have left?

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">How long will it take him to transition to an NFL style of play?

 

 

I agree with this and made a similar point several months ago. 

 

You do not take Manziel if the idea is to try to alter his game much. You take Manziel if you think he can bring some of that magic of his college game to the NFL. 

 

At this point (once QB reach the NFL), you aren't "fixing" QB's. Amazing how fans and even NFL people see this proven out year after year and then seem to suffer amnesia the very next draft.