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I am confused on this. 

 

Does a LEO have a body frame of a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE Standing up? 

 

Is a LEO an added player to a 4 man front? So 5 defensive players on the line of scrimmage? Or is the LEO just a 4 man front with one of the DE's standing up? 

 

Thank you! 

Quote:I am confused on this. 

 

Does a LEO have a body frame of a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE Standing up? 

 

Is a LEO an added player to a 4 man front? So 5 defensive players on the line of scrimmage? Or is the LEO just a 4 man front with one of the DE's standing up? 

 

Thank you! 

 

I don't think frame has too terribly much to do with it, but rather abilities. The LEO is the weak side Defensive End for a four man front, regardless of that being the left or right. Typically, he's a hand on the ground guy, but I guess you could have him standing up if it was more beneficial to him.

 

Here's a write-up on the Seattle Defense by Bleacher Report, it may help a bit.

 

Also, you can read up on the position and how it fits into the Defense over on BCC.

There really is no specific "Type"

LEO is when you draft tweeners and it works.

 

on the other hand, a GENeO (smith) is when you draft tweeners and it doesn't work.

If we're sticking to the Seattle format. Four linemen, three uggs and an OLB. 3-4 defense but with an OLB or Light-End Opposite (the TE) always rushing the passer

Ah I see, so frame isn't really important. Just wondering, because I've a number of people on the message board state that Khalil Mack would not fit in a LEO role. 

Quote:Ah I see, so frame isn't really important. Just wondering, because I've a number of people on the message board state that Khalil Mack would not fit in a LEO role.

Khalil Mack would fit the LEO role just fine.

Quote:Khalil Mack would fit the LEO role just fine.

Christian Jones of Florida State would fit better.

I don't believe the frame is all that important, but it's usually guys around 6'2-6'4 240-260 range. Usually they're a little too small to be straight up base 4-3 Ends. They line up in a 4 man front, but the LEO lines up real wide. Basically like the Wide 9, but only the LEO lines up wide.

Quote:Christian Jones of Florida State would fit better.

I've been saying this for months, if we could get him in the 4rth I think he would be a perfect Leo for our defense!

Leo is more of a "tweener" pass rusher who plays best in space. They normally are quick off the line and have to be able to rush the passer efficiently .

no no no Clowney is the ideal leo. That speed coming of the corner with those hands and ability to chase down form the backside. They also will eventually realize one on one wont work and have to use a blocker on the back pursuit. It will be a sight to behold.

also i thought cory lemonier would have fit great last draft but san fran just threw him in their stock pile

Quote:I don't believe the frame is all that important, but it's usually guys around 6'2-6'4 240-260 range. Usually they're a little too small to be straight up base 4-3 Ends. They line up in a 4 man front, but the LEO lines up real wide. Basically like the Wide 9, but only the LEO lines up wide.

Physically they only need to be long above 6'3" and 33 inch arms. Weight does not matter that much.

Quote:LEO is when you draft tweeners and it works.

 

on the other hand, a GENeO (smith) is when you draft tweeners and it doesn't work.

 

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Quote:I am confused on this. 

 

Does a LEO have a body frame of a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE Standing up? 

 

Is a LEO an added player to a 4 man front? So 5 defensive players on the line of scrimmage? Or is the LEO just a 4 man front with one of the DE's standing up? 

 

Thank you! 

 

To my understanding it was once called the "Elephant role" where Pete Carroll had learned it from George Seifert.  A fancy name for a tweener that is different from most. 

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“‘Elephant’ was just an e-word to designate a guy as being different from the regular defensive end,” Carroll explained.

“It’s a position that can take on different sizes and shapes, but it is a spot – a little bit of a hybrid position – that is kind of a linebacker, kind of a defensive end,” Carroll said. “We picture it as a speed-oriented guy.”

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Quote:Physically they only need to be long above 6'3" and 33 inch arms. Weight does not matter that much.

I would think that Clowney would be a great LEO role, wouldnt you?

4.48 unoffical 40 time at 6'5" 266lbs...

 

This position is a hybrid-style defensive end who lines up in a two-point stance on the defensive line. To the casual observer, it will look like Seattle is in a traditional 3-4 defense – there are only three down linemen, but principles and gap responsibilities from a 4-3 defense remain the same.

If you follow the link below you will see the athleticism tresholds the Seahawks and Jaguars seem to need from their Leos.

 

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/2/25/5...benchmarks

 

And yes Clowney would be an awesome Leo but even better he could switch inside effectively or stand up and create havoc as well.

 

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This position is a hybrid-style defensive end who lines up in a two-point stance on the defensive line. To the casual observer, it will look like Seattle is in a traditional 3-4 defense – there are only three down linemen, but principles and gap responsibilities from a 4-3 defense remain the same.

 

The Leo seldomly stands up but he has the same responsabilities as a 3-4 OLB. For the other linemen, the strong side end and the Nose play two-gaps (which is why Alualu didn't produce much sacks or pressure as a DE), Marks the 3-tech plays 1 gap and you've got the Leo as the 4th man.

After reading your link it makes me think that Barr might be Dave's selection if Clowney is gone, especially if he trades down a few slots for an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Quote:After reading your link it makes me think that Barr might be Dave's selection if Clowney is gone, especially if he trades down a few slots for an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick.

I am afraid of Barr, I think he is all athleticism and not much of a football player, he struggles to bend (like Branch). I don't like him in the top 15 picks.

 

I would take an Aaron Lynch somewhere ine the 2nd or 3rd and be happy with him.