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In the 1984 NBA draft 4 HOFs were taken in the first round. Hakeem Olajuwon was taken #1 overall, #3 overall was Michael Jordan, #5 overall was Charles Barkley, and last #16 overall was John Stockton. So what the heck does this have to do with the NFL? Well this is who I see in those players:

 

#1 - Jadeveon Clowney - This guy is the physical specimen of the draft. He has the size, great use of hands, crazy speed and footwork for his size, and he impacts the game in a way very few defensive players can. That was pretty much Olajuwon.

 

#3 - Johnny Manziel - WHAT!?!?!?, yea I know what is coming "Are you comparing Johnny Football to Michael Jordan?". Well yes I am. Jordan coming into the league wasn't the most polished basketball player, but he had a knack for big game moments and highlight moments. Early in he career he was known more for his highlight dunks than his shooting ability, but that change significantly over time as he mastered the fadeaway jump shot and became even more obsessed with perfecting his craft. He also didn't mind letting his opponents know he was better or even the best period. Sound familiar??? Well Manziel coming into the league is known more for his improve skills rather than his pocket passing. He is a risk taker on the field and it usually works for him. And he doesn't mind letting opponents know what he will do...and usually he does it. He is brash, but he also has a competitive drive that you don't see in a lot of players. This isn't the Tim Tebow I work hard drive. This is the Michael Jordan I am the best and I will show the world why I am the best drive. Manziel is about the winning and with a nickname (Johnny Football) and growing empire like his "Airness" I think it's a safe comparison pre-draft....

 

#5 - Dee Ford - I don't think Dee will go that high, but it wouldn't surprise me. Much like his Auburn alumn in Charles Barkley he is very undersized for his position. However, just like Barkley he seems to always be making plays around the ball. He was very impressive at the Senior Bowl and I think he will just continue to get better at what he does and eventually be one of the best in the game at it as well.

 

#16 - Teddy Bridgewater - I think the John Stockton comparison is very fair. Though not the biggest guy from a frame standpoint Stockton was a very tough player. I see this toughness in Teddy. Stock pretty much did the same thing in the pros that he did in college, find open guys and not make mental mistakes. That is what I see Teddy doing as well and that's not necessarily a bad thing, in fact it's a very good thing. "Steady Teddy" can be an effective QB for a long time in this league, maybe as long as Stockton was in the point guard in the NBA.

Is this serious????

 

Close this nonsense please

It's just an opinion Wiseman.....stop taking everything as SCRIPTURE....including your own post...

This dude is clueless.

 

Michael Jordan was the best and most dominant in his class. In 1984 everyone agreed on that.

 

If there is a Jordan in this class, its Clowney. Jordan was a freak athlete, Clowney is a freak athlete. Odds are Clowney does work similar to Jordan in his rookie year.

 

Manziel isn't in the top 2 ranking of qbs in his class..

 

This is ridiculous, you must be smoking pot to come up with this stuff

This dude is going to compare Manziel to Michael Jordan coming out of school. 

 

Disconnect your internet please and throw any computer/laptop you have into the nearest creek you can find. 

 

And stop smoking the good stuff, you can't handle it

Jordan was certainly not the most dominant in his class. In fact that class wasn't even considered a great draft class that year. It was only after the fact that it was considering great. It was suppose to be a year of a lot of depth and maybe a superstar or 2 would emerge......

Chill Wiseman its just his opinion.

Quote:Chill Wiseman its just his opinion.

Its like comparing a porsche to a honda civic

 

Yea they may have similarities, both have 4 wheels, two doors (pending on make and model), both have a steering and an engine

 

Are they really the same though

It's funny how people forget that the media back then was hard on Jordan early on. "Selfish, brash, and even uncoachable" were used to describe Jordan early on, among other things. Then he started winning titles and that's when people started to change their tune.

Quote:It's funny how people forget that the media back then was hard on Jordan early on. "Selfish, brash, and even uncoachable" were used to describe Jordan early on, among other things. Then he started winning titles and that's when people started to change their tune.

yea and he was also the best player coming out of the draft. 

 

The only reason why houston took hakeem and the blazers took the other fellow were because they were big men. 

 

Big men count in basketball

ummm... big men count in football as well, last time I checked. 

 

Anyway, Jordan was not the best prospect. As I mentioned before Hakeem was considered the only real prize of that draft. The "superstar". The rest of the class was considered to be able to provided depth and pieces to help build a contender. But in no way was he considered a franchise player.

 

Even the GM has said so on numerous occasions.

 

http://www.nbadraft.net/node/16360

 

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">"Back then, the knock on Michael was that he couldn't shoot the ball,"

Thorn recalled. "For a long time, that first season, he just drove the ball

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">to the basket and he didn't need a shot. But Michael was so smart, he learned from taking some mighty licks.

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">So he said, 'I gotta get a jump shot,' and he got one. But when we looked at him for the draft,

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">he was 195 pounds and 6-6, so he was kind of thin. So the biggest thing about him was, can he make a shot?

We wondered what kind of shooter he'd be."

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<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">....So a basketball player....who couldn't shoot, was considered the best player in that draft???? ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT STATEMENT YOU MADE?

Quote:ummm... big men count in football as well, last time I checked. 

 

Anyway, Jordan was not the best prospect. As I mentioned before Hakeem was considered the only real prize of that draft. The "superstar". The rest of the class was considered to be able to provided depth and pieces to help build a contender. But in no way was he considered a franchise player.

 

Even the GM has said so on numerous occasions.

 

http://www.nbadraft.net/node/16360

 

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">"Back then, the knock on Michael was that he couldn't shoot the ball,"

Thorn recalled. "For a long time, that first season, he just drove the ball

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">to the basket and he didn't need a shot. But Michael was so smart, he learned from taking some mighty licks.

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">So he said, 'I gotta get a jump shot,' and he got one. But when we looked at him for the draft,

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">he was 195 pounds and 6-6, so he was kind of thin. So the biggest thing about him was, can he make a shot?

We wondered what kind of shooter he'd be."

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;"> 

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;"> 

<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">....So a basketball player....who couldn't shoot, was considered the best player in that draft???? ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT STATEMENT YOU MADE?

Clearly you have never seen Jordan play in college. 

 

He was the best. Most athletes or Jordan's caliber lack a consistent jumper coming into the league. 

 

What made Jordan so amazing was his use of his incredible athleticism to get to the rack. 

 

He was unstoppable going to hole. 

 

Even as a rookie. its when he ran into the Bad boy he really rounded out his offensive game

Regarding the topic ......  Did I miss the news?  When did Jacksonville legalize weed?

Quote:Clearly you have never seen Jordan play in college. 

 

He was the best. Most athletes or Jordan's caliber lack a consistent jumper coming into the league. 

 

What made Jordan so amazing was his use of his incredible athleticism to get to the rack. 

 

He was unstoppable going to hole. 

 

Even as a rookie. its when he ran into the Bad boy he really rounded out his offensive game

He wasn't the best considered the best dude. If that was the case Houston would have taken him.

 

How do I know that? Well because Houston almost made a trade with Portland and they would have had picks #1 and #2 of the draft that year. They still would have Drafted Hakeem before Jordan......UH OH

 

 

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Also by the way you are just making my comparison more valid. Jordan's knock about not being able to shoot was huge back then. Alot of teams thought he isn't going to be able to drive like that in the NBA, not against NBA defenders. Just like people are saying Johnny isn't going to be able to transition to the NFL. Johnny will develop into a better pocket passer eventually....you will see. But in the mean time he will be able to do what he does now for the first 3-4 years while he continues to develop.

Qb position is the most important. 

 

Kids these days fall to Manziel working out in front of a camera and they get chubby thinking that "ohhhhh this guy works haaaard"

 

The guy you should really be paying attention is Teddy Bridgewater.

 

Works harder and doesn't need the lights and cameras to show off his action.

 

And like Jordan was he does everything well but hit the long range shot

Quote:This dude is going to compare Manziel to Michael Jordan coming out of school. 

 

Disconnect your internet please and throw any computer/laptop you have into the nearest creek you can find. 

 

And stop smoking the good stuff, you can't handle it

 

Get a life, loser. 

 

You aren't the authority on here. You're just some wannabe Mel Kiper who sits in his layer for 16 hours a day watching Teddy Bridgewater highlights on YouTube. You make up 99% of what you post and call them "facts" to make you look like some kind of Internet genius. It's like you're trying so hard to gain some E-cred from a bunch of random strangers.

 

Let the man have his damn opinion. It's like you think you're the only one who is infallible on here and everyone else is wrong.

Quote:Get a life, loser. 

 

You aren't the authority on here. You're just some wannabe Mel Kiper who sits in his layer for 16 hours a day watching Teddy Bridgewater highlights on YouTube. You make up 99% of what you post and call them "facts" to make you look like some kind of Internet genius. It's like you're trying so hard to gain some E-cred from a bunch of random strangers.

 

Let the man have his damn opinion. It's like you think you're the only one who is infallible on here and everyone else is wrong.

You come across as punk

 

I would advise you to move along boy

Quote:Get a life, loser. 

 

You aren't the authority on here. You're just some wannabe Mel Kiper who sits in his layer for 16 hours a day watching Teddy Bridgewater highlights on YouTube. You make up 99% of what you post and call them "facts" to make you look like some kind of Internet genius. It's like you're trying so hard to gain some E-cred from a bunch of random strangers.

 

Let the man have his damn opinion. It's like you think you're the only one who is infallible on here and everyone else is wrong.

Guys like you always get your jaw left hanging sideways

 

Keep moving and don't reply to my posts

Quote:Guys like you always get your jaw left hanging sideways

 

Keep moving and don't reply to my posts

When you clutter every thread in the college forum with the same tired overreactions to anyone who doesn't worship at the altar of Bridgewater  - you will get these reactions.  And you should.  Lots of people think Manziel will be a great QB at the next level.  I don't. You don't.  Others do . Get over it. 

 

  Everyone here is entitled to their opinion.  Right now - it seems the popular opinion is that you need to take it down a notch. 

 

You come across as strangely obsessive and incapable open-minded discussion. 

Quote:Guys like you always get your jaw left hanging sideways

 

Keep moving and don't reply to my posts