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Wonder who takes a chance on Samuel, if anyone?

Cutting Abraham was a mistake last year. We'll see how it works out this time.

I'd bring Samuel in to provide a veteran presence that Trufant was supposed to bring last year.

 

Cornerbacks need it more than QBs. A good teacher can go a long way for cornerbacks and whether you like it or not, Asante Samuel was a zone coverage sensei in his prime.

 

But considering he lost his starting job, it's hard to figure out how much he has left in the tank.

Quote:Cutting Abraham was a mistake last year. We'll see how it works out this time.

I thought the same thing when I saw the thread title. 

 

Their pass rush suffered and 35 yr old Abraham had 11.5 sacks and 4 FF in Arizona last season.  

Quote:I'd bring Samuel in to provide a veteran presence that Trufant was supposed to bring last year.

 

Cornerbacks need it more than QBs. A good teacher can go a long way for cornerbacks and whether you like it or not, Asante Samuel was a zone coverage sensei in his prime.

 

But considering he lost his starting job, it's hard to figure out how much he has left in the tank.

I'd guess he's about used up. Samuel was never exactly fast to begin with. If he's lost a step, we're talking about an undersized, 33-year-old cornerback who runs a 4.8 and doesn't contribute on special teams. If Trufant couldn't beat this year's corners for a job, I don't think Samuel could beat anyone on an improved cornerback squad next year.

 

Beyond that, Samuel seems like the "chase a championship" type. I think that he'll try to land a nickel job with a team that's perceived as being closer than we are.

Seeing the struggles of Asante Samuel,  Champ Bailey,  and Quintin Jammer in the 2013 season reinforces how rare Darrell Green was at the CB position.  Green was still effective when he reached 40,  which is practically unheard of at CB.

Benders post is dead on. DC/GuB aren't likely to put him into the young secondary mix, they need to grow together.

 

Darrell Green was a great player. The end of his career was the late 90s so he did play in the "modern era". I wonder if the game has changed that much since he retired- assuming he played in the same time frame as Champ, would he have been as effective at the end or would the rules and faster players have taken their toll?

 

Same thing the other way- had Champ played his career in the same bracket of years that Green did, would he be equally as effective at the end of his career?

 

You could argue it forever, I suppose, it would be like wondering if the 1984 Tigers could have beaten the 1927 Yankees.

Quote:Seeing the struggles of Asante Samuel,  Champ Bailey,  and Quintin Jammer in the 2013 season reinforces how rare Darrell Green was at the CB position.  Green was still effective when he reached 40,  which is practically unheard of at CB.

Green had so much speed relative to everyone else in the game. He could lose a step and still be fast enough to play at a high level.

Quote:Green had so much speed relative to everyone else in the game. He could lose a step and still be fast enough to play at a high level.

 

While I agree that Darrell Green had much more speed than the vast majority of CB's that have played the game,  even at a high level,  Champ Bailey entered the NFL with 4.28 speed in the 40.   Bailey should eventually join Green in the HOF. Yet,  it looks like Bailey won't even come close to playing in the NFL at age 40.  Let alone play on the level that Green did at that age.   Even though Green is in the HOF,  relatively speaking,  I thought he was underrated.  

Quote:While I agree that Darrell Green had much more speed than the vast majority of CB's that have played the game,  even at a high level,  Champ Bailey entered the NFL with 4.28 speed in the 40.   Bailey should eventually join Green in the HOF. Yet,  it looks like Bailey won't even come close to playing in the NFL at age 40.  Let alone play on the level that Green did at that age.   Even though Green is in the HOF,  relatively speaking,  I thought he was underrated.  

Just to put things in perspective, Green reportedly ran a 4.43 on his 50th birthday.

 

I wonder if Champ Bailey could even do that now.

Quote:Just to put things in perspective, Green reportedly ran a 4.43 on his 50th birthday.


I wonder if Champ Bailey could even do that now.

That is ridiculous if true...

The Falcons need an infusion of young talent.

Quote:Just to put things in perspective, Green reportedly ran a 4.43 on his 50th birthday.

 

I wonder if Champ Bailey could even do that now.

 

 After seeing Champ Bailey struggle mightily against the Seahawks WR's in the Super Bowl,  he probably wasn't able to run a 4.43 last Sunday evening.  

 

The question then becomes,  will a full off-season rest and recovery from his 2013 injury plagued season enable Bailey to get back some of the physical ability that he lost or is he nearing the end of a great career???   At the very least,  Bailey likely will have to take a major pay cut to remain with the Broncos.

Quote:The Falcons need an infusion of young talent.

 

 

Agreed.  Starting with both lines and the TE position.

Quote:I thought the same thing when I saw the thread title. 

 

Their pass rush suffered and 35 yr old Abraham had 11.5 sacks and 4 FF in Arizona last season.  

I never understand cutting pass rushers just cause they are 'over 30.' Alot of the really good pass rushers, stay that way, all the way to retirement (see Strahan, McGinest, J. Taylor). They just don't have the drop off that say RB's and even QB's do. I guess cause they are down in the trenches, rely more on brute strength and technique. Well at least the non-speed rushing kind. Anyway, I have noticed that a lot of DE's put up big numbers even up into their mid-to-late 30's.

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