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Defense is more important to winning championships than most people realize!

You only have to look at the whoping that the SeaHawks did to Peyton early in this SuperBowl & the average stats of Wilson based on the scoreboard to realize that the Jaguars would be better off drafting Clowney or the best available defensive player at #3 than reaching on another QB hopeful that might turn out to another let down.

 

Basically I agree with Mike DiRocco's article.

We want a pitcher not a belly itcher

We already have a topic about this, and it is in the College forum where it belongs.

 

If the Jags pass on a guy who turns out to be a franchise QB -- then I know I'll personally start to question Caldwell's ability to evaluate talent.  Obviously what I think doesn't matter -- but I'm sure there are plenty of people who will feel the same.  Just look at taking a punter over Russell Wilson.

We should pass on a QB only if Watson is available.

Quote:We should pass on a QB only if Watson is available.

You mean Watkins.....lol......I made the same mistake before

Quote:We already have a topic about this, and it is in the College forum where it belongs.

 

If the Jags pass on a guy who turns out to be a franchise QB -- then I know I'll personally start to question Caldwell's ability to evaluate talent.  Obviously what I think doesn't matter -- but I'm sure there are plenty of people who will feel the same.  Just look at taking a punter over Russell Wilson.

I wasn't sure because the article is about the Jags needing to bolster their defense. It highlights many of the Jags defensive players of which we are building a foundation and that we need to build on that in this draft.

If there's a franchise QB there, you grab him.  If not, draft the BAP.

Quote:If there's a franchise QB there, you grab him.  If not, draft the BAP.

Depends on your definition of franchise QB.

 

As I stated in another thread, alot of these QBs that are successful didn't come into the league "guns blazing" so to speak. They had alot of talent around them and over the course of years they have become the elite playmakers they are now.

 

If you feel a franchise QB is someone who can come in a change a franchise with little talent elsewhere, then I would say there is no franchise QB in this draft.

 

However, if you feel that a franchise QB is a guy who comes in a leads the team and makes the most of the talent around him by providing steady play at the QB position, then I would say there are a lot of franchise QBs available.....but I would also say we don't have the talent for him to be successful yet.

I feel confident that we have upgraded the decision maker on this question - and so far - I'm inclined to trust Caldwell's judgement on whether any of these guys is worth #3 overall.   

It's barely February and I am already developing a strong disdain for Dirocco. 

Seems like way too much of a knee jerk reaction to me.

 

If your franchise guy at QB is there you absolutely take him, it's the single most important position in all of football. Seattle's success is the cumulation of defensive talent along with some good offensive weapons. Seattle's defense, outside of Earl Thomas, is made up of home run draft picks from the mid and late rounds. No one on Seattle's defense, even Richard Sherman, will impact the game like a true franchise QB.

 

The takeaway from Sunday's Super Bowl should be that defense still plays an important part in football, not that getting a franchise QB is now less important. You don't have to choose between a franchise QB and a stellar defense, so you can have your cake and eat it too. 

Quote:It's barely February and I am already developing a strong disdain for Dirocco. 

DiRocco has a few wacky stances so far in his time covering the Jags.  The one that's a head scratcher for me is his stance on Blackmon.  

 

I see him as a potential luxury - should he get his stuff together.  DiRocco says "cut him now!"     I think his upside is worth a roster spot for a little while.  If there's a chance he's good to go in reg. season  week one - I'm gonna wait till at least then to make any decisions. 

 

Anyway.  My gut says Dave's gonna go pass rusher in the first - but I wouldn't be mad if he lands Bridgewater.   If not - I feel really strong about Garropolo's potential if they can trade down in the second or take him in the third. 

Quote:You only have to look at the whoping that the SeaHawks did to Peyton early in this SuperBowl & the average stats of Wilson based on the scoreboard to realize that the Jaguars would be better off drafting Clowney or the best available defensive player at #3 than reaching on another QB hopeful that might turn out to another let down.

 

Basically I agree with Mike DiRocco's article.

What the average stats and scoreboard don't tell you is that Wilson converted 3rd down after 3rd down in this Super Bowl. So what if he didn't throw for 400 yards and 4 TD. He had a very good game in this Super Bowl and made plays when they needed to be made. He was just overshadowed by how dominate the Defense was.

Quote:What the average stats and scoreboard don't tell you is that Wilson converted 3rd down after 3rd down in this Super Bowl. So what if he didn't throw for 400 yards and 4 TD. He had a very good game in this Super Bowl and made plays when they needed to be made. He was just overshadowed by how dominate the Defense was.

 

Dominate defenses that dominant can definitely overshadow decent QB play.

 

For example, out of Russell Wilson's first seven Third Down opportunities, he converted five of them into First Downs. That's efficiency that keeps your offense on the field. Was it game breaking? Not really, but it sure did help a lot.

Quote:Dominate defenses that dominant can definitely overshadow decent QB play.


For example, out of Russell Wilson's first seven Third Down opportunities, he converted five of them into First Downs. That's efficiency that keeps your offense on the field. Was it game breaking? Not really, but it sure did help a lot.

Fresh point. Meant great but fresh sounds ok.


3rd down conversion rate is probably one of the most important things to look for in a qb. How does he do in 3rd in short, medium, and long. Big reason I like Teddy so much. Don't have the numbers but he is by far the best this year at completing 3rd downs.

The only qb we should take if he is available at our pick should be Bridgewater

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

 

How about that for irony?!?!

If clowney is there you take him over anyone.  Manziel and Bortles are the only two QBs worth taking with 3rd pick.  Give me Barr over Geno2.0 anyday.

Quote:We should pass on a QB only if Watson is available.

Well personally I prefer Holmes, I think he has more 'upside.'