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Quote:I'd rather just trade for Brown, who you already know can play at the next level and at a high level.

For a 7th round pick? Well sure why not but not for anything more.

I find it funny TMD just assumes the Eagles are willing to trade him.

<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">3
 

<div>QB TEDDY BRIDGEWATER
LOUISVILLE
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">39
 

<div>OLB DEE FORD
AUBURN
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">70
 

<div>C TRAVIS SWANSON
ARKANSAS
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">101
 

<div>RB CARLOS HYDE
OHIO STATE
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">110
 

<div>TE C.J. FIEDOROWICZ
IOWA
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">132
 

<div>QB AARON MURRAY
GEORGIA
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">138
 

<div>CB RASHAAD REYNOLDS
OREGON STATE
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">147
 

<div>G TRAI TURNER
LSU
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">163
 

<div>S HAKEEM SMITH
LOUISVILLE
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">199
 

<div>G WESLEY JOHNSON
VANDERBILT
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<div>QB TEDDY BRIDGEWATER
LOUISVILLE
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<div>OLB DEE FORD
AUBURN
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<div>C TRAVIS SWANSON
ARKANSAS
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<div>RB CARLOS HYDE
OHIO STATE
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<div>TE C.J. FIEDOROWICZ
IOWA
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<div>QB AARON MURRAY
GEORGIA
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<div>CB RASHAAD REYNOLDS
OREGON STATE
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<div>G TRAI TURNER
LSU
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<div>S HAKEEM SMITH
LOUISVILLE
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<div>G WESLEY JOHNSON
VANDERBILT
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Johnson is a guy that I think could be a really good get for a team as a swing guy for the Interior O line.

Quote:Johnson is a guy that I think could be a really good get for a team as a swing guy for the Interior O line.

 

I thought in past draft scenarios he was going higher than 7th.  Did he have a poor combine (if he was invited)?

Quote:I thought in past draft scenarios he was going higher than 7th.  Did he have a poor combine (if he was invited)?

 

CBSSports.com listed some measurements/performance numbers for him. It doesn't look like he did all that well. May have to re-think this guy.

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">Combine Results

<p style="margin-left:40px;">40 Yd - 5.11

<p style="margin-left:40px;">20 Yd - -

<p style="margin-left:40px;">10 Yd - -

<p style="margin-left:40px;">225 Bench - 26

<p style="margin-left:40px;">Vertical jump - 29

<p style="margin-left:40px;">Broad - 9' 3"

<p style="margin-left:40px;">Shuttle - 4.64

<p style="margin-left:40px;">Three-Cone Drill - 7.40

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<div>WR SAMMY WATKINS
CLEMSON
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">39
 

<div>S CALVIN PRYOR
LOUISVILLE
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">70
 

<div>QB ZACH METTENBERGER
LSU
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">101
 

<div>DE MARCUS SMITH
LOUISVILLE
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">110
 

<div>C BRYAN STORK
FLORIDA STATE
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">132
 

<div>RB JEREMY HILL
LSU
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">138
 

<div>G TRAI TURNER
LSU
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">147
 

<div>DE KAREEM MARTIN
NORTH CAROLINA
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">163
 

<div>CB DEION BELUE
ALABAMA
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">199
 

<div>RB KAPRI BIBBS
COLORADO STATE
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Starting Thursday you will have to pay to use Fanspeak. They are now letting you do trades and you can use other big boards such as WalterFootball.


10

QB TEDDY BRIDGEWATER

LOUISVILLE

39

DE DEE FORD

AUBURN

45

TE TROY NIKLAS

NOTRE DAME

70

CB KEITH MCGILL

UTAH

76

RB LACHE SEASTRUNK

BAYLOR

101

OT CYRUS KOUANDJIO

ALABAMA

107

DT DANIEL MCCULLERS

TENNESSEE

110

WR JARED ABBREDERIS

WISCONSIN

132

CB JAYLEN WATKINS

FLORIDA

138

QB AARON MURRAY

GEORGIA

147

G JON HALAPIO

FLORIDA

163

C BRYAN STORK

FLORIDA STATE

199

RB JAMES WILDER

FLORIDA STATE

Pay? Good luck with that.

Quote:Pay? Good luck with that.

Pretty much. I'm just getting my fix in now.

Quote:Starting Thursday you will have to pay to use Fanspeak. They are now letting you do trades and you can use other big boards such as WalterFootball.


10

QB TEDDY BRIDGEWATER

LOUISVILLE

39

DE DEE FORD

AUBURN

45

TE TROY NIKLAS

NOTRE DAME

70

CB KEITH MCGILL

UTAH

76

RB LACHE SEASTRUNK

BAYLOR

101

OT CYRUS KOUANDJIO

ALABAMA

107

DT DANIEL MCCULLERS

TENNESSEE

110

WR JARED ABBREDERIS

WISCONSIN

132

CB JAYLEN WATKINS

FLORIDA

138

QB AARON MURRAY

GEORGIA

147

G JON HALAPIO

FLORIDA

163

C BRYAN STORK

FLORIDA STATE

199

RB JAMES WILDER

FLORIDA STATE

 

The other picks machine on the other thread is much more realistic.

 

http://first-pick.com/Default.aspx

Quote:The other picks machine on the other thread is much more realistic.

 

http://first-pick.com/Default.aspx

 

The one that lets you trade down 100 times is more realistic?

VIEW EACH TEAM'S DRAFT


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QB BLAKE BORTLES

CENTRAL FLORIDA

39

OLB RYAN SHAZIER

OHIO STATE

70

DE JACKSON JEFFCOAT

TEXAS

101

WR JARVIS LANDRY

LSU

110

RB BISHOP SANKEY

WASHINGTON

132

C MARCUS MARTIN

USC

138

ILB LAMIN BARROW

LSU

147

OLB ADRIAN HUBBARD

ALABAMA

163

TE XAVIER GRIMBLE

USC

199

G WESLEY JOHNSON

VANDERBILT

Traded pick #3 to Atlanta for Picks # 6, #70, and #99,  so they could take Clowney.

St. Louis takes pick #6 for picks #13, #75 and #106, to select Sammy Watkins to pair with Jake Matthews who they picked @ 2.

Carolina takes pick # 13 for picks #28, #60, and #92 to select Greg Robinson to replace retiring Jordan Gross.

 

Jacksonville has now turned the #3 pick into: #28, #60, #70, #75, #92, #99, and #106.

 

Teddy went #1, Mack #5, Dennard #12...if Mack/Dennard had lasted to my pick they would have been the selections.

 

Jacksonville trades picks #60, #101, and #115 to Dallas for pick #47.

 

 


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<div>OLB DEE FORD
AUBURN
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">39
 

<div>OLB KYLE VAN NOY
BYU
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">47
 

<div>G XAVIER SU'A-FILO
UCLA
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">68
 

<div>TE TROY NIKLAS
NOTRE DAME
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">70
 

<div>WR DONTE MONCRIEF
MISSISSIPPI
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">75
 

<div>CB STANLEY JEAN- BAPTISTE
NEBRASKA
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">92
 

<div>QB JIMMY GAROPPOLO
EASTERN ILLINOIS
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">99
 

<div>RB LACHE SEASTRUNK
BAYLOR
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">106
 

<div>C MARCUS MARTIN
USC
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">132
 

<div>DT CARAUN REID
PRINCETON
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">138
 

<div>OLB ADRIAN HUBBARD
ALABAMA
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<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">147
 

<div>ILB LAMIN BARROW
LSU
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</div>

<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">163
 

<div>QB LOGAN THOMAS
VIRGINIA TECH
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</div>

<div style="font-size:30px;text-align:center;">199
 

<div>RB DRI ARCHER
KENT STATE
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</div>
 

 

Would be stoked if actual draft fell this way.  Only change looking back I would have made was DT - Stephon Tuitt fell all the way to pick # 59.  I would have traded a future 2nd Rounder along with picks #132 and #147 in order to draft him.

The thing that I don't like about your draft Blue Eyes, is that in my opinion there are four top-tier playmakers available in this draft. In no particular order they are Bridgewater, Clowney, Mack, and Watkins. In your scenario, we didn't get any of them. I like having picks and all, but I like having top tier players even more.

Quote:The thing that I don't like about your draft Blue Eyes, is that in my opinion there are four top-tier playmakers available in this draft. In no particular order they are Bridgewater, Clowney, Mack, and Watkins. In your scenario, we didn't get any of them. I like having picks and all, but I like having top tier players even more.

 


I agree on this.  Teddy went #1 so he was off the board.  I tried to make the trades seems realistic and not just what the "simulator" gave me and in order to get those trades you have to have top-tier players to offer.

 

Atlanta is known to want Clowney and both the Jags/Falcons FOs are connected so its an easy trade.  As I noted in the draft, Mack goes off the board @ #5...if he had been there I would have gladly taken Mack + an early 3rd &4th for Clowney. 

 

Watkins was very tempting @ #6 but I feel in a deep draft and our WR corp being one of our "better" groups on the team that he could be passed over.  I know that St. Louis GM has a connection to Atlanta GM and that they want a WR badly and had to get in front of Detroit @ 10.  I assume that Caldwell has some connection to the St. Louis GM so its another realistic trade oppurtunity.

 

After the above 4 were gone, the only player I like as an impact scheme fit is CB - Dennard - Michigan State but as luck/risk had it he goes @ #12.  At this point, nobody in my eye seemed worth #13 but Carolina wanting to replace Jordan Gross and get ahead of Arizona gave an offer that seemed to be worth it in order to grab Greg Robinson.

 

In this draft, I feel you get your:

1 - Impact Leo in Dee Ford

2 - Jack of all trades LB that can rush/cover in Van Noy

2 - Last impactful OG as Yankey/Jackson went off the board which caused me to trade - Sua'Filo

3 - TE that can stretch the seam and best TE left on the board - Nicklas

3 - A WR that has #1 WR tools but just needs to put it all together - Moncrief

3 - A Scheme fit CB in Jean-Baptiste

3 -  Your Developmental QB that you hope can possibly start midway thru the season - Garoppolo

4 - Dynamic HB in Seastrunk

4 - Some have as the #1 OC in the draft - Martin

 

My thinking I guess is which of these Options would you want:

 

A: Clowney (keeping pick #3)

B: Mack, Moncrief or Jean-Baptiste, and Seastrunk or Garoppolo (trading #3 for #6, #70, #90)

C: Ford, Moncrief, Sua'Filo, Jean Baptiste ,Garoppolo, Seastrunk (trading #6 for #28, #60,#92 or basically #3 for #28,60,70,90,92)

 

This is assuming our assigned picks went:

2nd - Van Noy

3rd - Nicklas

4th - Seastrunk or Garoppolo

4th - Martin

5th - Caron Reid

5th - Hubbard

Quote:...
 

My thinking I guess is which of these Options would you want:

 

A: Clowney (keeping pick #3)

B: Mack, Moncrief or Jean-Baptiste, and Seastrunk or Garoppolo (trading #3 for #6, #70, #90)

C: Ford, Moncrief, Sua'Filo, Jean Baptiste ,Garoppolo, Seastrunk (trading #6 for #28, #60,#92 or basically #3 for #28,60,70,90,92)

 

This is assuming our assigned picks went:

2nd - Van Noy

3rd - Nicklas

4th - Seastrunk or Garoppolo

4th - Martin

5th - Caron Reid

5th - Hubbard

 

Give me "A" with those assumptions or "B". For some reason, I am parked on the Mack Bandwagon. I think he's going to be a fine player. That being said, if you get Clowney, Van Noy, Nicklas in the Third and Garoppolo in the Fourth with this draft, I'd be very happy. Like, no pants on Tuesday level of happy.

Quote:Give me "A" with those assumptions or "B". For some reason, I am parked on the Mack Bandwagon. I think he's going to be a fine player. That being said, if you get Clowney, Van Noy, Nicklas in the Third and Garoppolo in the Fourth with this draft, I'd be very happy. Like, no pants on Tuesday level of happy.

 

Yea I would be happy with "B" but in my draft he went at #5 I guess the biggest thing I like about Option C is that you get 3 additonal starters in: Sua'Filo (which I feel will be an impact starter) and Moncrief/Jean-Baptiste (which could both end up being very impactful as both have very good tools that need honing) by taking Ford instead of Clowney/Mack.

With the new trade format

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9

OLB KHALIL MACK

BUFFALO


39

DE DEE FORD

AUBURN


41

TE JACE AMARO

TEXAS TECH


70

QB ZACH METTENBERGER

LSU


73

RB BISHOP SANKEY

WASHINGTON


101

WR DONTE MONCRIEF

OLE MISS


105

G CHRIS WATT

NOTRE DAME


110

DT DAQUAN JONES

PENN STATE


132

CB JAYLEN WATKINS

FLORIDA


138

ILB LAMIN BARROW

LSU


147

RB STORM JOHNSON

CENTRAL FLORIDA


163

C BRYAN STORK

FLORIDA STATE


199

OT RYAN GROY

WISCONSIN

Quote:With the new trade format

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9

OLB KHALIL MACK

BUFFALO


39

DE DEE FORD

AUBURN


41

TE JACE AMARO

TEXAS TECH


70

QB ZACH METTENBERGER

LSU


73

RB BISHOP SANKEY

WASHINGTON


101

WR DONTE MONCRIEF

OLE MISS


105

G CHRIS WATT

NOTRE DAME


110

DT DAQUAN JONES

PENN STATE


132

CB JAYLEN WATKINS

FLORIDA


138

ILB LAMIN BARROW

LSU


147

RB STORM JOHNSON

CENTRAL FLORIDA


163

C BRYAN STORK

FLORIDA STATE


199

OT RYAN GROY

WISCONSIN

 

What Board did you use for Amaro/Moncrief/Jones to drop that far?