Duke's defense sucks.
Savage was 23 of 33 for 424 yards with 6 tds and 0 ints vs Duke for a 237.6 passer rating (96.9 Adj QBR).
Pitt scored 58 vs Duke.
Yea and whats your excuse for what Manziel did to Bama the last two years?
Quote:Yea and whats your excuse for what Manziel did to Bama the last two years?
.... not an excuse. just saying Duke's defense sucks.
Quote:Yea and whats your excuse for what Manziel did to Bama the last two years?
well on that note
heres the stats
manziel
DATE
OPP
RESULT
CMP
ATT
YDS
CMP%
LNG
TD
INT
RAT
9/14
Alabama L
49-42 28 39 464 71.8 95 5 2
mike evans
DATE
OPP
RESULT
REC
YDS
AVG
LNG
TD
9/14
Alabama L
49-42 7 279 39.9 95 1
do you know what's really odd and all
on the games mike evans doesn't put get open and put up huge numbers manziel doesn't either
manziel
DATE
OPP
RESULT
CMP
ATT
YDS
CMP%
LNG
TD
INT
RAT
11/23 @
LSU L
34-10 16 41 224 39.0 51 1 2 83.2 12 54 4.5 13 0 14.9 30.2 11/30
@
Missouri L
28-21 24 35 195 68.6 32 1 0 124.8
evans
DATE
OPP
RESULT
REC
YDS
AVG
LNG
TD
11/23 @
LSU L
34-10 4 51 12.8 38
@
Missouri L
28-21 4 8 2.0 10 0
it's the darndest thing
you could call duke the exception but mike evans had hands all over him all night and go a fair few pi calls and still caught 4 for 72 yards
now i'm not saying manziel doesn't factor in and doesn't make the throws etc but having some top wide receivers catching balls is definitely helping.
He might be clutch and put up numbers against top defenses but he is also on a top offense so that argument doesn't really fly with me
Quote:well on that note
heres the stats
manziel
DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT
9/14 Alabama L 49-42 28 39 464 71.8 95 5 2
mike evans
DATE OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD
9/14 Alabama L 49-42 7 279 39.9 95 1
do you know what's really odd and all
on the games mike evans doesn't put get open and put up huge numbers manziel doesn't either
manziel
DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT
11/23 @LSU L 34-10 16 41 224 39.0 51 1 2 83.2 12 54 4.5 13 0 14.9 30.2 11/30
@Missouri L 28-21 24 35 195 68.6 32 1 0 124.8
evans
DATE OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD
11/23 @LSU L 34-10 4 51 12.8 38
@Missouri L 28-21 4 8 2.0 10 0
it's the darndest thing
you could call duke the exception but mike evans had hands all over him all night and go a fair few pi calls and still caught 4 for 72 yards
now i'm not saying manziel doesn't factor in and doesn't make the throws etc but having some top wide receivers catching balls is definitely helping.
He might be clutch and put up numbers against top defenses but he is also on a top offense so that argument doesn't really fly with me
Yea man your right, Manziel needs evans. Thats why Manziel played horrible last year when Evans wasnt even his go to WR. Manziel made evans, not the other way around.
Nope I'm saying Manziel has always had a stellar cast around him
that helps against top end defenses but he might not have that in the NFL especially if he comes here where he could end up behind a very very young line in front of a very young RB and with a depleted receiver cadre to throw too
Would you rather him play lights out against a bad D or terrible against a bad D?
Manziel definitely does NOT have a stellar team around him. He has a left tackle and a wideout. That's it. Everything else, including his defense, is hot garbage on their bet days.
Quote:Would you rather him play lights out against a bad D or terrible against a bad D?
I'm just fed up of people using the bama game like a testament to him translating to the NFL
Added his 2 picks are hardly lights out
My issue is that we are not a team that can afford to nurture its pick and edge it gently into the fold
Whoever it is will be thrown to the wolves
Added this is not a pick we can afford to miss on
to me Manziel is the least pro ready QB who if you remove that freakish athleticism has very little experience as a pocket passer and does not possess a stellar arm
Be that through defensive scheme injury NFL defenses are already well up on the read option and if they take away the read I think he will struggle
Hence I would rather take someone with a lower ceiling so to speak that is more pro ready
Quote:I'm just fed up of people using the bama game like a testament to him translating to the NFL
Added his 2 picks are hardly lights out
My issue is that we are not a team that can afford to nurture its pick and edge it gently into the fold
Whoever it is will be thrown to the wolves
Added this is not a pick we can afford to miss on
to me Manziel is the least pro ready QB who if you remove that freakish athleticism has very little experience as a pocket passer and does not possess a stellar arm
Be that through defensive scheme injury NFL defenses are already well up on the read option and if they take away the read I think he will struggle
Hence I would rather take someone with a lower ceiling so to speak that is more pro ready
My comment was in reference to the original poster and the Duke defense.
Quote:Manziel definitely does NOT have a stellar team around him. He has a left tackle and a wideout. That's it. Everything else, including his defense, is hot garbage on their bet days.
His other tackle, Cedric Ogbuehi, could be a first round pick too.