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Quote:That's not what he and Carroll did in Seattle.

Their scheme may put more value on players like Bruce Irvin, but Clowney fits any scheme and like previously stated, it's up to Gus to get the most out of him.

Quote:Their scheme may put more value on players like Bruce Irvin, but Clowney fits any scheme and like previously stated, it's up to Gus to get the most out of him.

 

Funny you say that, because I was actually thinking this a couple of days ago.  Clowney really can fit in ANY defensive scheme.

Quote:Their scheme may put more value on players like Bruce Irvin, but Clowney fits any scheme and like previously stated, it's up to Gus to get the most out of him.

 

I know Clowney does.

 

I was talking more about Mack/Barr.

Quote:Lets not annoint he & Carroll until they actually win something. Carroll has yet to even reach a SB let alone win one.

Wait, so we can't give Carrol props for turning Seattle into arguably the best team in the NFL, but you are free to swoon over Chip Kelly as if the two of you are dating?

Quote:Wait, so we can't give Carrol props for turning Seattle into arguably the best team in the NFL, but you are free to swoon over Chip Kelly as if the two of you are dating?

 

Carroll didn't have immediate success in Seattle like Kelly has had in Philly. Carroll has been there like 4 or 5 years and still has not reached a SB. If in 4 years Kelly has not reached a SB, then you can question Kelly. 

I actually like Mack more than Barr.  I also like Van Noy more than both.

 

I'd rank my top 3 linebackers:

 

1.) Van Noy

2.) Mack

3.) Barr

 

Van Noy is just flat out disruptive out there, even against top competition.  His stats dipped this year, but look at the Texas tape and you'll see he basically had 2 or 3 more sacks that game where he just unloaded on Ash right as he was throwing.  I also like that he plays in coverage as well.  Van Noy is great at shedding blocks with spin moves and great hands, but he needs to get a little stronger at the point.  Both Mack and Barr almost exclusively rush 9 out of 10 plays.  I like Mack a lot more at the point of attack than Barr.  Mack is very strong and also has good bend, while Barr just tries to run around people.  It's going to be interesting to see Mack in coverage during the offseason and see what kind of speed he really has when in space.

Quote:Carroll didn't have immediate success in Seattle like Kelly has had in Philly. Carroll has been there like 4 or 5 years and still has not reached a SB. If in 4 years Kelly has not reached a SB, then you can question Kelly.

Okay so.....If you do not reach a SB within your first four years, and also didn't have immediate success, than you are not to be praise (despite developing the best defense in the league, and being SB favorites this current year).


But if you have a chance to win arguably the worst division in football- Praise for dayz! (So long as it reaffirms an agenda)


I think I get it now.


I like Kelly- I was campaigning for him to be hired when we instead went with the football guru Mularkey. But let's not pretend that Carrol is undeserving of credit and that Chip Kelly is reinventing the wheel route.

Quote:Carroll didn't have immediate success in Seattle like Kelly has had in Philly. Carroll has been there like 4 or 5 years and still has not reached a SB. If in 4 years Kelly has not reached a SB, then you can question Kelly. 

 

So basically a .500 record is "immediate success"?

 

And if you're about to say "do you know what their record was last year?", then I guess you'll be pushing to immediately install Andy Reid into the Hall of Fame.

 

Nah. no agenda here. None whatsoever.

Clowney isn't as good standing up as most would think.  Even though he has elite speed, he's very awkward, and frankly not very good, when he drops into coverage.  He can rush the passer, but you can't get too creative with him.  You just have to line him up.

Quote:So basically a .500 record is "immediate success"?

 

And if you're about to say "do you know what their record was last year?", then I guess you'll be pushing to immediately install Andy Reid into the Hall of Fame.

 

Nah. no agenda here. None whatsoever.

 

LOL, now Andy Reid also isn't deserving of praise for the quality of coach he is??? As if the 8 div titles in Philly werent enough, he takes a team from 2 wins to 12 and counting....in one year....lol

 

Weird system around here.....QB like Manning and Luck are bashed/ scrutinized, and coaches like Reid and Kelly (and Belichick) are bashed/ scrutinized......and yet mediocre players like Marcedes and mediocre coaches are defended to the gills.... :wacko:

 

Truly bizarro world. 

I personally think getting a guy that is LEO alone simply because he fits right now is not the smartest move in the world.

 

What if 2 years from now, Bradley or our DC is gone and wants to install a different scheme, one that doesn't feature a LEO?

 

I say get a guy like Clowney (if we can obviously), a guy that can do it all - regardless of scheme.

Quote:I personally think getting a guy that is LEO alone simply because he fits right now is not the smartest move in the world.

 

What if 2 years from now, Bradley or our DC is gone and wants to install a different scheme, one that doesn't feature a LEO?

 

I say get a guy like Clowney (if we can obviously), a guy that can do it all - regardless of scheme.

 

Good point. 

Both are great players. Mack seems like more of a pass rusher as Barr is an all around type guy, is that about right? Haven't seen many games from either. I'd go with Barr assuming we got defensive and Clowney is off the boards..sheesh..im just thinking of Clowney in teal. Would be amazing

Quote:Both are great players. Mack seems like more of a pass rusher as Barr is an all around type guy, is that about right?

I think they're both mostly pass rushers, Barr is probably going to test faster, but I'm not sure either player would be good in coverage....not that they need to be

Im kinda back and forth on which I would rather have.  I think the combine could separate the 2!  And the UCLA bowl game in Barr shows up big.

Quote:Im kinda back and forth on which I would rather have.  I think the combine could separate the 2!  And the UCLA bowl game in Barr shows up big.

 

I'm more interested in Xavier Sua-Filo at LG in the UCLA bowl game in the 2nd round than Barr in the top 5.  He would be a good get for us.  He's a little inconsisent, but he springs a lot of big plays.  He whiffs too often on stunts, but when run blocking he is often seen at the second level destroying linebackers.  With a mobile quarterback like Bortles or Manziel, I think his whiffs can be negated a little, much like Hundley does at UCLA.

Quote:LOL, now Andy Reid also isn't deserving of praise for the quality of coach he is??? As if the 8 div titles in Philly werent enough, he takes a team from 2 wins to 12 and counting....in one year....lol

 

Weird system around here.....QB like Manning and Luck are bashed/ scrutinized, and coaches like Reid and Kelly (and Belichick) are bashed/ scrutinized......and yet mediocre players like Marcedes and mediocre coaches are defended to the gills.... :wacko:

 

Truly bizarro world. 

 

You miss the point so often.

 

If Reid is good, and I think he is, how is Kelly a genius for getting Reid's team to a .500 record?

 

Perhaps both Reid and Kelly are getting their teams to play at their potential. Not genius. Not revolutionary. Just good coaching from experienced men who know what they're doing.

 

But you are so hung up on the look at me aspect of every post you have to go into hyperbole overdrive, where people are "revolutionary" or "bums". Certainly lessens the point you're trying to make. 

Mack 10/10 times. Barr is a good fast, but isn't the strongest. Mack is also a good athlete, but is a much better football player.