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Quote:You just hate Teddy because he is obnoxiously religious.

Is he?

Quote:Is he?

 

It was meant to be a Tebow jab.  I haven't heard anything about Teddy's beliefs, which is how I'd personally prefer it to be.

I'm a relatively newcomer here although I've been lurking for many years. Am an old Eagle and 49ers fan when I lived in those cities. I adopted this team at it's birth and went to the inaugural game....still have the ticket stub. I've wanted Bridgewater since the Florida game. Now I'm not so sure. I still like him a lot and would happy if we lucked out and he fell to us. But I also like Manziel a lot. I really like what I've seen from Carr. I find Bortles and Fales interesting. If our scouting dept. sees fit to pick any of these guys....I'm good and will be really excited for next season. Now what I've seen here is a group of people that like one guy.....and don't have much to say about the other prospects. And there is another group that likes one guy and DISMISSES opinions from the other group. I've seen it a while. And I end up feeling like I have to defend Manziel and Carr fans. This is get tin' old fast. 4 more months......geeezzzz.....Elitism really pisses me off.

Quote:I'm a relatively newcomer here although I've been lurking for many years. Am an old Eagle and 49ers fan when I lived in those cities. I adopted this team at it's birth and went to the inaugural game....still have the ticket stub. I've wanted Bridgewater since the Florida game. Now I'm not so sure. I still like him a lot and would happy if we lucked out and he fell to us. But I also like Manziel a lot. I really like what I've seen from Carr. I find Bortles and Fales interesting. If our scouting dept. sees fit to pick any of these guys....I'm good and will be really excited for next season. Now what I've seen here is a group of people that like one guy.....and don't have much to say about the other prospects. And there is another group that likes one guy and DISMISSES opinions from the other group. I've seen it a while. And I end up feeling like I have to defend Manziel and Carr fans. This is get tin' old fast. 4 more months......geeezzzz.....Elitism really [BAD WORD REMOVED] me off.

 

Good point burt1.....I have a favorite but I am really open to others too. Not just hung up on (insert name here) and it has to be him or we're doomed!

I just want a dang QB that can play the game. LameG.  makes me want to scratch my eyes out.    

 

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I'm a relatively newcomer here although I've been lurking for many years. Am an old Eagle and 49ers fan when I lived in those cities. I adopted this team at it's birth and went to the inaugural game....still have the ticket stub. I've wanted Bridgewater since the Florida game. Now I'm not so sure. I still like him a lot and would happy if we lucked out and he fell to us. But I also like Manziel a lot. I really like what I've seen from Carr. I find Bortles and Fales interesting. If our scouting dept. sees fit to pick any of these guys....I'm good and will be really excited for next season. Now what I've seen here is a group of people that like one guy.....and don't have much to say about the other prospects. And there is another group that likes one guy and DISMISSES opinions from the other group. I've seen it a while. And I end up feeling like I have to defend Manziel and Carr fans. This is get tin' old fast. 4 more months......geeezzzz.....Elitism really [BAD WORD REMOVED] me off.

i don't think it's elitism. If you like manziel fair play to you but if people post a thread about him i'm going to tell you why i don't like him

at the end of the day it's pointless discussion as none of us make the decision but it's a forum and without such discussion, well the forums pretty pointless but lets ignore leave that elephant in the room for for a rainy day

 

I've watched a couple of games of each of the major qbs and everytime a new one gets mentioned i go and find film and watch and make a judgement, but what I have noticed about manziel discussion is no one says why they like him. Everyone goes ohhh johnny football but no one really says anything about what they think will make him translate to the nfl. It's always if his game translates he will be awesome but i can't find any qualities in him to say he will translate

 

. He improvises well and moves well in the pocket and out of it which makes me love him if he was an rb not a qb, throws a decent short pass but there is nothing there to me screaming pick him. I'm all for him in the 3rd or if we trade down a long way in the second, but i'm not for taking him with what looks like it might be the 4th pick in the draft especially when he is a boom or bust prospect, too big a risk when you have other solid prospects at qb and de

 

Right now, I don't like derek carr either. I think he has great arm strength and good side...sounds like gabbert which may be part of it come to think of it,I don't like his reading of the game or how he reacts under duress. He lobs that deep ball whenever he is under pressure and eyeballs his primary read all night long and i think nfl safeties will make him pay for it. I watched doing it in a couple of games but i'm going to watch him tonight to see how he does.

 

i like bortles alot, not the strongest arm in the world but his pocket presence is superb his short throws are beautiful and he has the mobility to take off if needed.  Added he adjusts at the line of scrimmage points out blockers and calls audibles and takes a hit like luck does ,with relish. I really like him and the more i watch the more I like. That being said he has very good receivers and i think they may help him alot as he throws to alot of wide open reads but he throws in stride too. 

my issue with him is he has too much trust in his arm and trys to fit the ball into gaps he doesn't need to and gets picked for it, added he lacks the ability to push the field as he doesn't have the arm strength of some of the others in this draft.

 

Assuming teddy is out the picture which par houston and washington going on a win streak... he will be

 

bortles at 4 (as i don't think he'd make it past the feeding frenzy below us if we traded down though barr or clowney or trading down for khalil mack or even further down for bradley roby are equally appealing to me) and fales  in the 3rdare my two right now similar types of qbs, similar problems but i think they both could walk into our offense and make a difference on game one

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Quote:It was meant to be a Tebow jab.  I haven't heard anything about Teddy's beliefs, which is how I'd personally prefer it to be.

 

Gotcha. That's what I figured.

<div>I agree with OP and want Manziel, simply because I don't want to 'settle' for a quarterback anymore in this town. I want to say confidently that we drafted the very best quarterback prospect possible, in fact the best we can even imagine at this time. That there is literally nobody else in the world of football that we would want instead, even if we could get him. And I want this because I've watched multiple teams in the NFL experience this over the last few years, while us Jaguars always settle(think Blaine Gabbert)
 
Case in point: when the Rams drafted Sam Bradford a few years back, you could just tell in their fans eyes, there was no other quarterback in the world that they wanted or would trade him for. Keep in mind, Cam Newton wasn't even a passing-thought in their minds, and Bradford the current heisman winner was considered the best young prospect anywhere. 
And then when Carolina comes along and drafts their own franchise guy Cam Newton, And I again saw the same phenomenon at work. Newton was literally the very best young quarterback prospect their franchise could even imagine. In fact he was labeled the best ever by some. For remember, during that year, guys like Luck and RG3 hadn't made a name for themselves yet. 
And of course this same trend repeated itself once again 2-years ago with both Luck and RG3. There was no 'settling' with Washington or Colts. There was no other player in the world, and none playing currently in college football they could have wanted more.
 
Enter Jaguars 2014 draft then, and we are in a terrible position. Because while we're prolly going to have a high pick and a need for a franchise guy. I fear some of my brothers on this board are going to 'settle' once again, as always. And I'll prove it with a simple question:
To everyone who want Jaguars to draft Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr, or other qbs like Mccarron, Boyd, etc. with out first pick, I want you to answer this hypothetical question as honestly as you possibly can. If the college rules were changed and current heisman winner 'Jameis Winston' could come out THIS year. Would you still take Bridgewater over Winston? Would you take Bortles over Winston? You wouldn't would you? Of course you wouldn't, none of you would. 
And so that's where we are. In a terrible twist of fate, where we have to admit that us Jaguars may once again be 'settling' for the Bridgewaters, Carrs, etc, only because by NCAA rules, we can't get our grubby hands on 'Winston'(much like we got Gabbert that one year simply because we weren't high enough on the draft board to get Newton).
 
And perhaps us Jaguar fans will only recognize when it's too late, only in hindsight, when we see some rival like Houston pick up Winston next year and we hate ourselves for settling once again.
No, not this time. I want to be the talk of the town this tiime. I want to be the most exciting pick on draft day that everybody talks about this year. I want our Johnny to be on the front of sport illustrated in his shiny new Jaguars uniform. I want Jaguars to become one of the most watched teams in the entire NFL. I want the number 2 Jaguars jersey to be the highest selling in the world(much like RG3 and others). I want Jaguars tickets to be the hottest in town, and regularly see the likes of Lebron James in the stands. I want Manziel, because this is our chance. Our chance to be the team that every other team is jealous of. Rams stole their fanchise guy in heisman winning Bradford who broke all kinds of records and went to the championship game. Carolina, Washington, and colts did too. And of course whoever gets Winston next year. 
And then there's us, right in the middle. And who are we going to get? The AAC qb Bridgewater, who was never even invited to sit on a heisman board? Bortles or Carr? The type of qbs you can find in every single draft every single year? I don't want to settle. I've settled ever since post-Brunnell. I want the guy who Gus Malzhan compared only to his own Cam Newton. The guy who Bob Stoops said was the best quarterback the Sooners have faced in his 14 years as coach. I want the only quarterback Nick Saban has nightmares of. The most talked about, exciting, and record-breaking quarterback in a long long time.
 
I don't want to covet whoever gets Winston next year, wishing we could have got him this year. I want to get the only guy in the draft this year who truly stands shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Winston, RG3, Luck, Newton, and Bradford. The choice is easy Jaguars fan. No more settling for us. The OP is right, It is time indeed! Bring Johnny [BAD WORD REMOVED] Football to Jacksonville!
 
(author's edit: I think we all agree that whoever Jaguars get, we'll always be Jag fans. And I don't write this to grate anyone, so take it all in stride please. I only write to make you think of the possibilities. Let's be proud Jaguars fans. We deserve the best, we deserve a draft pick that people will still be talking about 5-years from now. We've been loyal fans to this franchise through the good and the bad. And we deserve this.)
 
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Quote:We deserve the best, we deserve a draft pick that people will still be talking about 5-years from now. 

 

If we draft Manziel we will be looking to draft another QB high in the draft in less than 5 years.

Carr and Bortles are this year's Gabbert. Manziel is too small. Bridgewater hasn't played anyone but did well with a suspect supporting cast.

Quote:If we draft Manziel we will be looking to draft another QB high in the draft in less than 5  1years.

 

FTFY.

Quote:Carr and Bortles are this year's Gabbert. Manziel is too small. Bridgewater hasn't played anyone but did well with a suspect supporting cast.

Carr has a few of the same issues that should have scared Smith away from Gabbert.   Bortles - not so much.  I'm not calling him a 1st rounder like some are, but he is quite a different QB than Gabbert.  He feels pressure and extends plays by making small moves in the pocket - only leaving the pocket when it collapses. And he keeps his eyes downfield all the while.   I think he is raw with much greater potential than Gabbert.  

Quote:If we draft Manziel we will be looking to draft another QB high in the draft in less than 5 years.

Fully agreed KY. And so this one's gotta stick this time. Because if Jaguars draft a QB this year with their first pick, it is highly likely that he will define the entire tenure of this coaching staff as either good or bad. In fact if Teddy/Johnny/Blake is a total bust, perhaps will be the only franchise quarterback Bradley will ever know as a NFL head coach. Pick big or go home I say.

Quote:Carr has a few of the same issues that should have scared Smith away from Gabbert.   Bortles - not so much.  I'm not calling him a 1st rounder like some are, but he is quite a different QB than Gabbert.  He feels pressure and extends plays by making small moves in the pocket - only leaving the pocket when it collapses. And he keeps his eyes downfield all the while.   I think he is raw with much greater potential than Gabbert.  

i totally agree with this on bortles and carr, the more i watch the more i like about bortles, he is not a runner, he is not scared, if he reminds me of anyone he reminds me of luck, one of those guys that doesn't mind almost likes taking a hit.

 

plus he already goes through his reads really quickly only going to the checkdown if he can't extend the play

i also saw something i've not seen before from a college qb, bortles against i think it was rutgers, he had one man out of 4 open in a clean pocket

the open guy was on a crossing route across a man scheme with him man trailing, bortles rolled out to give himself the angle to make the throw for a score

 

i think he has everything except the arm strength of the top tier prospects which is why he is not the consensus number one in this draft

with time i think he could become an eli manning level qb, which is not high praise right now but the rings on his finger make me think he is a good investment

 

it sickens me to do this so early but for now i am on the bortles bandwagon

 

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Carr and Bortles are this year's Gabbert. Manziel is too small. Bridgewater hasn't played anyone but did well with a suspect supporting cast.

Agree 1000% about Carr and Bortles. If Mariotta and Hundley would have left school this year and entered the draft, they wouldn't be in the top 5 like they are on most peoples boards.

Your Bridgewater concerns are valid and I also agree with them too. He's still my number 2 quarterback though, and think Teddy's a top 10 pick just because the pickins are so slim this year for qbs.

I would caution not to underestimate Manziel though, especially not just because of his size. We've already seen this story play-out in college, and I don't want to see it play-out again for the Jaguars. Don't forget, A&M was the only major college to offer him a scholarship as a quarterback. Everybody else, and I mean everybody, thought he was too small. Texas in particular only wanted him as an athlete/cornerback. They recruited the taller, heavier, and more pro-set David Ash over Manziel(6'3" compared to 6 foot even). We of course know how that work out for mac brown, and every other team that could have used the best quarterback in all of college football.

History always repeats itself tho, and I can still remember everyone saying during his first heisman winning year, that nobody would ever make the mistake of underestimating Manziel again. Let's just hope we're not the 'texas' of this draft.

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Manziel is Ryan Leaf in Doug Flutie's body. No thanks.

Regards................the Chiefjag

Quote:Manziel is Ryan Leaf in Doug Flutie's body. No thanks.


Regards................the Chiefjag

Why? You give no reasoning so just callin it how you see it? Manziel and leaf are totally opposite qbs so that for one makes no sense. Flutie body?? He's bigger than Russell Wilson so that's wrong. So r u saying because leaf was 1st pick which Johnny could be too he will bust well that goes for any qb on multiple reasons. You draft playmakers and he is the best in this draft like Mathieu was last year when I wanted to spend a 2 on him last year and every one said that was crazy. Carr is bad with pressure and good defences like geno and teddy just isn't mobile enough for this team it will be manziel or brotles.

Manziel won't be a playmaker in the NFL.  Draft Johnny Football, and you'll likely be hoping for a new Quarterback in a year or two.  Mobility isn't the most desired trait in a Quarterback.

Johnny Manziel's height is an issue but not a big one. Is his arm strength limited or a product of bad footwork? Is he mature enough to handle the responsibility of being the face of the franchise? I don't have the answers but these questions are of greater concern

1st RD (top 5)

Bridgewater

 

1st RD (trade back)

Bortles

Carr

 

2nd RD

Manziel

McCarron

Hundley

 

A team like the jags can't take a risk on Manziel in round 1.  There are several good defensive lineman around that pick.  If we miss out on the top QB option, go get a piece that can make our defense more effective.  

 

A rebuilding team needs long term producers.  Manziel's future is too uncertain for me to pick him so early, but I will support him if he is on my team.

He says that because Manziel has a lot of growing up to do.  If the way he is acting is any indication of how he will act when he gets millions in his bank account then no thank you.