Quote:From Caldwell's own mouth, he didn't.
Do you have a link to a website that quotes Dave Caldwell on the comments that were highlighted?
I recall that one or more people on the Forum mentioned what you just expressed but don't recall seeing an actual quote.
Quote:It's not like they have the cap room to overpay him. I would say that's it's very unlikely he returns to Washington next season.
Quote:The Skins are poised to be up against the cap. They are going to have trouble resigning him and the tag is almost out of the question.
I wasn't aware of their cap situation. In that case, allons-y! Let's go get him!
Quote:Do you have a link to a website that quotes Dave Caldwell on the comments that were highlighted?
I recall that one or more people on the Forum mentioned what you just expressed but don't recall seeing an actual quote.
Doesn't exist to my knowledge. It's just how some people are creating a narrative against the new GM so they can say "I told you so" if he doesn't pan out.
Quote:Doesn't exist to my knowledge. It's just how some people are creating a narrative against the new GM so they can say "I told you so" if he doesn't pan out.
Ding-ding-ding. Correct.
Caldwell said that he wasn't "shopping him" he didn't say he didn't talk to other teams once he was contacted by Baltimore. He, in fact , confirmed exactly the opposite in a Q&A with O'halloran (or another T-U writer.) Can't find the link because of new Jacksonville.com subscription requirement. I posted it when it happened, though.
Quote:Doesn't exist to my knowledge. It's just how some people are creating a narrative against the new GM so they can say "I told you so" if he doesn't pan out.
In all of the years I've followed the NFL, I can't recall a G.M. ever saying publicly what some claim that Dave Caldwell expressed. This is yet another example why it's best to question something if it doesn't make sense than automatically believe it.
Quote:Ding-ding-ding. Correct.
Caldwell said that he wasn't "shopping him" he didn't say he didn't talk to other teams once he was contacted by Baltimore. He, in fact , confirmed exactly the opposite in a Q&A with O'halloran (or another T-U writer.) Can't find the link because of new Jacksonville.com subscription requirement. I posted it when it happened, though.
What you mentioned here makes a great amount of sense and is very likely what actually happened.
I'd kill to bring Orakpo here.
Cutler is more of a win now optition with some risk, I could see the Texans making that move...Jags will go for a drafted guy.
Quote:Not to derail the thread but instead of making one for every free agent, one guy I hope the jaguars will pony up for is Brian Orakpo. Get the QB in the draft, add a dominant edge rusher in FA, and then that oline needs to be taken care of.
I guarantee David Caldwell would rather draft an OLB in May. That is what he said he would do from the beginning: get most players from the draft and fill in gaps with cheap free agents.
Quote:not to derail the thread but instead of making one for every free agent, one guy i hope the jaguars will pony up for is Brian Orakpo. get the qb in the draft, add a dominant edge rusher in FA, and then that oline needs to be taken care of.
Ha! I remember when someone made up a nickname for Orakpo; he called him Orak-poop. Get it?!?! Oh, it was so witty. He took Orakpo, and then put in "poop"! Because Orakpo stinks! Ah, heady days man. Heady days indeed.
Back to reality though, I wonder if maybe Orakpo would want a different culture / locker room of which he would like to be a part. Maybe if that is an option for him, he would concede a bit on his monetary demands and come to Jacksonville. Probably won't work out that way, but it's a nice thought.
Quote:I guarantee David Caldwell would rather draft an OLB in May. That is what he said he would do from the beginning: get most players from the draft and fill in gaps with cheap free agents.
Orakpo is a unique situation because he's an elite talent, just now coming into his prime, playing for a team that can't really afford to keep him. I hope Khan fires up the jets when it's time because elite pass rushing talents don't grow on trees and it would be one less position that needs addressing moving forward.
I heard something interesting on XM radio today. They were talking about how Houston might have trouble landing a big name coach, especially if he has to go with a rookie QB. But then they brought up Gruden (of course) and he might want someone like Cutler and then draft Clowney.
Quote:Ha! I remember when someone made up a nickname for Orakpo; he called him Orak-poop. Get it?!?! Oh, it was so witty. He took Orakpo, and then put in "poop"! Because Orakpo stinks! Ah, heady days man. Heady days indeed.
Back to reality though, I wonder if maybe Orakpo would want a different culture / locker room of which he would like to be a part. Maybe if that is an option for him, he would concede a bit on his monetary demands and come to Jacksonville. Probably won't work out that way, but it's a nice thought.
Well jacksonville has a lot of money available. you have to keep in mind its tax free in florida too, so that helps. at only 27 years old. he would theoretically still be in his prime when the window for the rebuild is complete in a couple years. i think if you throw him into the wide 9 style defense that we run now, he would be a real force up front.
jaguarswoman, every time you say something, it usually breaks the record for the dumbest thing i have ever heard, so im going to do my best not to respond to you if possible.
I wouldnt mind bringing in Cutler. I can see him throwing to Shorts and Blackmon.
Quote:Do you have a link to a website that quotes Dave Caldwell on the comments that were highlighted?
I recall that one or more people on the Forum mentioned what you just expressed but don't recall seeing an actual quote.
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Caldwell said he wasn’t shopping Monroe – the Ravens called on Tuesday and once the negotiations were complete, he accepted Baltimore’s offer of fourth- and fifth-round picks in the 2014 draft.
“They showed some real interest and had the power to do it with the amount of draft picks they’re expected to have with their compensatory picks,” Caldwell said. “Everything aligned perfectly. It happened really quickly."
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://m.jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/544821/ryan-ohalloran/2013-10-03/caldwell-jaguars-done-dealing'>http://m.jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/544821/ryan-ohalloran/2013-10-03/caldwell-jaguars-done-dealing</a>
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This is all well and good. But I'm confident Dave Caldwell and/ or others who work for him in the Jaguars Front Office also spoke to other teams about what they consider Eugene Monroe's value to them. Some of the discussions could easily have taken place before the talks with the Ravens began, even though the Jaguars weren't looking to trade Monroe.
Quote:This is all well and good. But I'm confident Dave Caldwell and/ or others who work for him in the Jaguars Front Office also spoke to other teams about what they consider Eugene Monroe's value to them. Some of the discussions could easily have taken place before the talks with the Ravens began, even though the Jaguars weren't looking to trade Monroe.
It could have happened. But that's all speculation. What we do know as fact is what was quoted above.
Quote:It could have happened. But that's all speculation. What we do know as fact is what was quoted above.
Here's my 2 cents:
With Dave Caldwell having a very extensive background under highly competent GM's, I'm confident that he wouldn't have traded Eugene Monroe for 4th and 5th Round picks without having a good idea what Monroe's market value is. Time will tell if Caldwell makes enough good personnel choices to have the success that Jaguars fans are hoping for. But Caldwell isn't an amateur.
If only we traded a 6th rounder for B Marsh like the Bears did.. what a joke of a trade, Dumb Dolphins.
Quote:If only we traded a 6th rounder for B Marsh like the Bears did.. what a joke of a trade, Dumb Dolphins.
The Bears gave the Dolphins two 3rd round picks for Marshall.