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Quote:An acquisition of Gorropolo automatically has to come with the firing of Caldwell, right?
 

I would think so. Caldwell isn't bad, but I think a coach/GM firing have to go hand in hand. I want an Ozzie newsome type GM who played football at least on the college lever and isn't a lawyer/finance major who crunches numbers.. Ozzie goes to every ravens games, he takes notes during every game and takes a very methodical, old school approach. Caldwell is analytics manager. Analytics are great, but you need to watch football talent.
Quote:I'd say make a big trade for Garropolo, use the draft to get OL/RBs and use FA to find extra pass rushers along with a new coach and we'd be solid.
 

I'd say we package Bortles and Bradley for Garropolo and Belichick.

I turd you not I've been making this comparison here and other places.

 

Strong D. Lacking in coaching and QB play. Underperforming offensive players.

 

New coach possibly new QB and it could turn around quick,

 

Or... it could get worse I guess.  Sick

Quote:Related to the information you provided,  the opinion question I have for anyone is if Alex Smith was the Jaguars QB this season instead of Blake Bortles,  what do you think the Jaguars record would be through 12 games?

 

At the time Andy Reid made the trade for Alex Smith,  it looked like he was overpaying.   To Reid's credit,  based on the style of Offense the Chiefs play,  Smith has been a very good fit for them.
 

We'd lead the AFC South. I really believe that. I think Alex would make it work here in Hackett's system. 
Quote:We'd lead the AFC South. I really believe that. I think Alex would make it work here in Hackett's system. 
 

  One thing in particular that's hard to measure is how much of a toll has Blake Bortles'  turnovers and overall season taken on the other Jaguars players in terms of their focus, preparation,  effort,  and performance?     Some players are much better at continuing to do what it takes to give their team the best possible chance of winning than other players are.
Quote:Related to the information you provided,  the opinion question I have for anyone is if Alex Smith was the Jaguars QB this season instead of Blake Bortles,  what do you think the Jaguars record would be through 12 games?

 

At the time Andy Reid made the trade for Alex Smith,  it looked like he was overpaying.   To Reid's credit,  based on the style of Offense the Chiefs play,  Smith has been a very good fit for them.
With this coaching staff I'd say we'd probably be 5-7 with the extra wins coming against the Ravens, tinhorns and one of the Lions-Bills-Broncos games. 
Quote:With this coaching staff I'd say we'd probably be 5-7 with the extra wins coming against the Ravens, tinhorns and one of the Lions-Bills-Broncos games. 
 

   Even though it appears best for the Jaguars to make a HC change,   at least this season the # 1 thing holding the team back probably has been the play of Blake Bortles.   What that means for Bortles'  future with the Jaguars and in the NFL overall remains to be seen.
the jags could have tom brady, and woudl stil lbe loseing under HC gus loosey goosey bradly.

Quote: Even though it appears best for the Jaguars to make a HC change, at least this season the # 1 thing holding the team back probably has been the play of Blake Bortles. What that means for Bortles' future with the Jaguars and in the NFL overall remains to be seen.
Blake will spend the whole offseason working on his mechanics but he still needs a good coach. That's the most important thing this offseason. Even if Blake doesn't work hard (even though I believe he will) a really good coach would have this team fighting for the division.
Quote:I think the only way that Garropolo ends up in Jacksonville is if the Jags hire McDaniels.
Garropolo for Bortles straight up. Jimmy G becomes instant starter and Bortles gets to sit and learn/master his mechanics for 5 years until Brady retires. haha
Quote:I would think so. Caldwell isn't bad, but I think a coach/GM firing have to go hand in hand. I want an Ozzie newsome type GM who played football at least on the college lever and isn't a lawyer/finance major who crunches numbers.. Ozzie goes to every ravens games, he takes notes during every game and takes a very methodical, old school approach. Caldwell is analytics manager. Analytics are great, but you need to watch football talent.


Per wiki:

Caldwell was born in Buffalo, New York and attended John Carroll University where he played linebacker from 1992 to 1996.[1]


He was a business major though.
Quote:Blake will spend the whole offseason working on his mechanics but he still needs a good coach. That's the most important thing this offseason. Even if Blake doesn't work hard (even though I believe he will) a really good coach would have this team fighting for the division.
 

   After reading your reply,   another opinion question comes to mind.  Being that the Texans are 6-6 with one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL this season,  how do you and everyone else believe the Jaguars would be doing from a record and/ or overall standpoint if the team had Bill O' Brien as HC and a coaching staff the caliber of the Texans staff that fits the Jaguars personnel?  IMO,  the Texans are one of the best coached teams in the NFL.
Quote:Per wiki:

Caldwell was born in Buffalo, New York and attended John Carroll University where he played linebacker from 1992 to 1996.[1]


He was a business major though.
 

  That's the school that Don Shula played his college ball.
Quote:Garropolo for Bortles straight up. Jimmy G becomes instant starter and Bortles gets to sit and learn/master his mechanics for 5 years until Brady retires. haha
Amen.
Quote:   After reading your reply,   another opinion question comes to mind.  Being that the Texans are 6-6 with one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL this season,  how do you and everyone else believe the Jaguars would be doing from a record and/ or overall standpoint if the team had Bill O' Brien as HC and a coaching staff the caliber of the Texans staff that fits the Jaguars personnel?  IMO,  the Texans are one of the best coached teams in the NFL.
It honestly wouldn't take very much to have this team at .500.

 

I think Osweiler has zero talent and I think Blake does. O'Brien really liked Blake so I think he would know exactly how to get the most out of him. I say Jags still beat Colts and Bears. Then you add in at least 3 wins against GB, Baltimore, Texans, Lions, Bills, Denver,or Chiefs. That puts the team right in the thick of it.
Quote:It honestly wouldn't take very much to have this team at .500.

 

I think Osweiler has zero talent and I think Blake does. O'Brien really liked Blake so I think he would know exactly how to get the most out of him. I say Jags still beat Colts and Bears. Then you add in at least 3 wins against GB, Baltimore, Texans, Lions, Bills, Denver,or Chiefs. That puts the team right in the thick of it.
 

  A 5-7 record,  with 3 Divisional games remaining would have indeed been a good opportunity for the Jaguars in the present day AFC South.  

 

  I think the 3 things that above all will lead to at the very least Gus Bradley being let go in the coming weeks are the regression of Blake Bortles,   the inability of the Jaguars to compete in a division that very likely won't have a 10 win team,   and until recently the team's injury situation being better than with most NFL teams.   
We have been the 2nd coming of the 2013 Chiefs for a few years now.

Quote:  A 5-7 record,  with 3 Divisional games remaining would have indeed been a good opportunity for the Jaguars in the present day AFC South.  

 

  I think the 3 things that above all will lead to at the very least Gus Bradley being let go in the coming weeks are the regression of Blake Bortles,   the inability of the Jaguars to compete in a division that very likely won't have a 10 win team,   and until recently the team's injury situation being better than with most NFL teams.   
Honestly, I think last years record says more about Gus than this year. He played half of his games or more last year against terrible teams with backup QBs. All he could muster up was 5 wins. Yea the defense didn't play well but as a "defensive guru" you should be able to take low talent and get the most out of them.
Quote:Honestly, I think last years record says more about Gus than this year. He played half of his games or more last year against terrible teams with backup QBs. All he could muster up was 5 wins. Yea the defense didn't play well but as a "defensive guru" you should be able to take low talent and get the most out of them.
 

 It's a fair point,  especially when one looks around the NFL to see the job that some Coaching Staffs are doing with teams that have significant talent issues on Defense.
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