Quote:The FSU game of course.
Btw did you see this yet Kodiak?
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/12/16/5216568/big-cat-country-is-hiring'>http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/12/16/5216568/big-cat-country-is-hiring</a>
Wow. Thank you so much man. If I could get paid to write this stuff... would be such a blessing.
Boyd can pass and run. Not worried about his height, but his decisionmaking and ability to read defenses. He's thrown some suspect INTs and I also wonder if he's making his receivers better or its the other way around.
Quote:Boyd can pass and run. Not worried about his height, but his decisionmaking and ability to read defenses. He's thrown some suspect INTs and I also wonder if he's making his receivers better or its the other way around.
This^
Quote:Boyd can pass and run. Not worried about his height, but his decisionmaking and ability to read defenses. He's thrown some suspect INTs and I also wonder if he's making his receivers better or its the other way around.
Boyd is David Garrard.
Quote:Boyd is David Garrard.
I think Garrard is his floor. I think he has a chance to be more like a mobile Brett Favre. I don't think he'll last as long because he'll run more.
Boyd is a fancy attractive form of QB purgatory, but still QB purgatory.
Boyd is pretty bad. His receivers definitely have made him look better. He throws a lot of off target passes and can't read a defense. Lots of bad interceptions. Also, the favre thing is buts, boyds arm isn't even close to favres. Not close.
Quote:I think Garrard is his floor. I think he has a chance to be more like a mobile Brett Favre. I don't think he'll last as long because he'll run more.
Still my second favorite QB. Now that its looking like Bridgewater will be a Texan, Boyd is a strong possibility.
I love his arm and feet. I think the guy can play. I think he struggled against teams like FSU cause his team around him was out outmatched (lack of protection, good coverage, ect.).
I still say he will make some team in the NFL very happy.
I go back to his game against LSU when he had Hopkins to get open with a solid tight end and protection. He could move the ball against an elite defense when he had more playmakers.
Quote:Still my second favorite QB. Now that its looking like Bridgewater will be a Texan, Boyd is a strong possibility.
I love his arm and feet. I think the guy can play. I think he struggled against teams like FSU cause his team around him was out outmatched (lack of protection, good coverage, ect.).
I still say he will make some team in the NFL very happy.
He needs to learn to handle pressure better IMO.
Quote:He needs to learn to handle pressure better IMO.
obviously he has room to improve, but i feel like he is pretty good in all areas.
i dont care what QB you have. if you cant protect them somewhat consistently, they won't play well.
At best he will be a 2nd rounder, but I don't see it happening. He will be drafted in the 3rd-4th round.
His best attributes are that he has nice mechanics and footwork, quick release and is mobile/athletic. However, he struggles with accuracy at times, and the stuff that he did in college isn't prostyle at all, so he will have a high learning curve once he gets to the NFL. I just don't see anything special from him.
Quote:I go back to his game against LSU when he had Hopkins to get open with a solid tight end and protection. He could move the ball against an elite defense when he had more playmakers.
Yeah, he looked good at times when he had Nuk and Watkins...who wouldn't look good with two of the top 5 weapons in the game? Also, that was pretty much the only game he has had in the last two years where he really looked like a franchise QB prospect. That game is easily the most overhyped one game I can think of in my amateur cutup scouting history. Boyd is just not a top 100 prospect in this draft sorry.
Quote:Yeah, he looked good at times when he had Nuk and Watkins...who wouldn't look good with two of the top 5 weapons in the game? Also, that was pretty much the only game he has had in the last two years where he really looked like a franchise QB prospect. That game is easily the most overhyped one game I can think of in my amateur cutup scouting history. Boyd is just not a top 100 prospect in this draft sorry.
oh that was the only game? i guess he sucked in all the other 300+ yard games
i think its silly to assume that Boyd hasn't been part of Clemson's success
Quote:oh that was the only game? i guess he sucked in all the other 300+ yard games
i think its silly to assume that Boyd hasn't been part of Clemson's success
A ton of not very good QB prospect have 300 yard games and lots of wins in college. Doesn't make them good prospects.
Quote:A ton of not very good QB prospect have 300 yard games and tons of wins in college. Doesn't make them good prospects.
where in my original post did i cite numbers? i like his skill set, but if you want proof that he has looked good... the numbers are there
just because you say, "he isn't a good prospect", means nothing. your statement doesn't really have anything to back it up.
he has the numbers, he has the arm, he has the wins... what makes him "not a good prospect"?
Quote:he has the numbers, he has the arm, he has the wins... what makes him "not a good prospect"?
Two of those three mean exactly zero when it comes to scouting a player...and 'he has the arm' doesn't mean much either.
Boyd has one above average trait I would say and that is his athleticism, and even that is just above average not exceptional. His mechanics are pretty solid too, kinda slow but good enough.
He's not big, he has poor pocket presence, average to below average accuracy and ball placement, average velocity. He's just all around an average QB prospect, literally nothing about him says franchise QB.
Quote:Two of those three mean exactly zero when it comes to scouting a player...and 'he has the arm' doesn't mean much either.
Boyd has one above average trait I would say and that is his athleticism, and even that is just above average not exceptional. His mechanics are pretty solid too, kinda slow but good enough.
He's not big, he has poor pocket presence, average to below average accuracy and ball placement, average velocity. He's just all around an average QB prospect, literally nothing about him says franchise QB.
oh wins mean 0. so i guess going 0-12 is acceptable? ok
arm means little? it's not everything, but its important. if anything holds back good college QBs, its usually lack of arm strength.
his athleticism is pretty good for a QB with his passin skill set, so... you are wrong there
kinda slow? not really
not big? history proves that means nothing as long as the player is good.
his accuracy down field is actually very good. wrong again.
you say arm strength doesn't matter, but then cite velocity as a weakness? make up your mind about whats important to you. his velocity is really good anyway. you haven't watched him much apparently.
Quote:oh wins mean 0. so i guess going 0-12 is acceptable? ok
I mean if you think you can scout QB wins as a trait that will in any way translate to the NFL then LOL.
arm means little? it's not everything, but its important. if anything holds back good college QBs, its usually lack of arm strength.
'Has the arm' means a lot more than just arm strength. I broke that down into several of the parts which you also didn't agree with.
his athleticism is pretty good for a QB with his passin skill set, so... you are wrong there
I said his athleticism was his one above average trait, but it's not even close to exceptional like a Cam/Kaepernick/RG3/Vick/etc. Not sure what I'm wrong about there since above average would = pretty good to me.
kinda slow? not really
I said his mechanics are kinda slow, as in the time it takes for him to take the snap, drop back, and release the ball needs to get a bit faster. But I also said it's not that bad over all. It could also be because his information processing is just slow so he doesn't read the field and make the right decision as fast as he could. Either way it needs to speed up a little.
not big? history proves that means nothing as long as the player is good.
If you aren't big you need to be really, really good in a lot of other facets of the game, and he just isn't at all.
his accuracy down field is actually very good. wrong again.
I never said downfield accuracy. I said accuracy. Downfield accuracy is by far the least important of the three, and Boyd is just average in the short/intermediate and it's hard to judge how accurate he really is downfield when he is throwing to elite NFL type talents for his career...but it may be good who knows.
you say arm strength doesn't matter, but then cite velocity as a weakness? make up your mind about whats important to you. his velocity is really good anyway. you haven't watched him much apparently.
I never said arm strength doesn't matter, I said your phrase 'has the arm' didn't mean much because that phrase could literally mean half a dozen different things. If you are saying you meant it as arm strength then ok, and I say that his arm strength is average. Average doesn't mean it's a weakness, it just means he's average. Saying he isn't a top 100 prospect doesn't mean he's bad, it just means he's average. QB purgatory material. If he lands in a great situation he can be a Dalton/Alex Smith type who can 'lead' a very good team to the playoffs, and then an early playoff exit.
In summation, Boyd is an average QB prospect...and your reading comprehension needs more work than Boyd does.
who are you kidding? all of your "he's average to above average" is you just trying to disparage his ability. then when i point out your inaccuracies, you say i didnt read it right. no, i heard you loud and clear. you don't like him, but nearly all of your assessments are inaccurate.
how could "he has the arm" mean anything other than arm strength
deep accuracy is hard to judge? no it isn't. if the ball is on the money, he's accurate. I've seen him do it many times.
68% completion... ya he's so inaccurate
Quote:who are you kidding? all of your "he's average to above average" is you just trying to disparage his ability. then when i point out your inaccuracies, you say i didnt read it right. no, i heard you loud and clear. you don't like him, but nearly all of your assessments are inaccurate.
how could "he has the arm" mean anything other than arm strength
deep accuracy is hard to judge? no it isn't. if the ball is on the money, he's accurate. I've seen him do it many times.
68% completion... ya he's so inaccurate
Such a scouting simpleton...yikes.