The Franchise QB. Washington gave up three firsts. Indianapolis had one of their worst seasons ever.
What is the guy worth? If we have the second pick, what are you willing to trade to move up for Teddy?
If we have the second pick behind Atlanta, there is no reason to trade up. The Falcons need Clowney.
If we have the second pick behind Minnesota or Houston, the only way they will let us move up is give them more than we are willing to trade. David Caldwell said we must build up through the draft with cheap veteran free agents filling gaps, so there is no reason to think he will ever trade up for anything - especially with a team trying to get the same player.
I wouldn't. Take clowney and don't look back. If we really need a qb take Carr. No point in mortgaging our future if we are rebuilding.
you dont trade up, u take Clowney or Barr
It really all depends on what the market dictates. I doubt it will be as strong as it was for RG3. Two firsts would probably do the job and I would rather that than to miss out on Bridgewater.
It only cost Washington three firsts to nab RGIII because St. Louis was forced to keep Bradford's contract and everyone knew it. Atlanta is in a similar predicament, but there are going to be a lot more suitors than what the Redskins were competing against -- Jacksonville, Minnesota, and Houston will all be top-five and are all hungry for a quarterback. None of those three would trade down if they were slotted first overall; the Falcons are the only scenario in which this is feasible.
Quote:It really all depends on what the market dictates. I doubt it will be as strong as it was for RG3. Two firsts would probably do the job and I would rather that than to miss out on Bridgewater.
If you give up two first round picks to move up one spot, you set the franchise backward.
Quote:If you give up two first round picks to move up one spot, you set the franchise backward.
You don't think Teddy Bridgewater is worth Jacksonville's 2014 and 2015 first-round picks? How about Andrew Luck, or a 22-year-old Peyton Manning? That's a pretty draconian line to draw, especially when it's obvious that those guys are all worth a lot more than two first-rounders.
Quote:You don't think Teddy Bridgewater is worth Jacksonville's 2014 and 2015 first-round picks? How about Andrew Luck, or a 22-year-old Peyton Manning? That's a pretty draconian line to draw, especially when it's obvious that those guys are all worth a lot more than two first-rounders.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footbal...63700.html
that scouting report on teddy is spot on, and why he isnt worth two first round picks
Quote:You don't think Teddy Bridgewater is worth Jacksonville's 2014 and 2015 first-round picks? How about Andrew Luck, or a 22-year-old Peyton Manning? That's a pretty draconian line to draw, especially when it's obvious that those guys are all worth a lot more than two first-rounders.
You are ignoring the obvious fact that quarterback is just the biggest of many problems. If we give away our 2015 first round pick, we will miss out on an elite player with Top 10 talent. After one pretty good season, the Redskins have struggled, partly because they had no first round pick in 2013. If that were to happen in Jacksonville, everybody would be saying Caldwell was stupid to trade a 2015 first round pick for a player with a torn ACL.
Quote:You are ignoring the obvious fact that quarterback is just the biggest of many problems. If we give away our 2015 first round pick, we will miss out on an elite player with Top 10 talent. After one pretty good season, the Redskins have struggled, partly because they had no first round pick in 2013. If that were to happen in Jacksonville, everybody would be saying Caldwell was stupid to trade a 2015 first round pick for a player with a torn ACL.
Whoever you draft with that 2015 pick is just as likely to tear his ACL as anyone else. There's not much you can do to prevent freak knee injuries.
Washington is struggling because they've traded away picks like candy over the years (in several other deals) and have one of the worst cap situations in the league. Oh, and their front office has drafted terribly and has made poor signings. RGIII tearing his ACL is a big part of it, but you can't be afraid that Caldwell will do as poorly in building around his franchise talent and accumulating quality depth.
Just to be clear, though, you really wouldn't trade two first-rounders for the chance to draft Andrew Luck?
Quote:Whoever you draft with that 2015 pick is just as likely to tear his ACL as anyone else. There's not much you can do to prevent freak knee injuries.
Washington is struggling because they've traded away picks like candy over the years (in several other deals) and have one of the worst cap situations in the league. Oh, and their front office has drafted terribly and has made poor signings. RGIII tearing his ACL is a big part of it, but you can't be afraid that Caldwell will do as poorly in building around his franchise talent and accumulating quality depth.
Just to be clear, though, you really wouldn't trade two first-rounders for the chance to draft Andrew Luck?
I already stated very clearly there is no reason to do that because unless the #1 team is also desperate for a quarterback, I don't need to trade up, and if I need to trade, the #1 team would refuse all of my offers. What don't you understand about that?
Quote:Whoever you draft with that 2015 pick is just as likely to tear his ACL as anyone else. There's not much you can do to prevent freak knee injuries.
Washington is struggling because they've traded away picks like candy over the years (in several other deals) and have one of the worst cap situations in the league. Oh, and their front office has drafted terribly and has made poor signings. RGIII tearing his ACL is a big part of it, but you can't be afraid that Caldwell will do as poorly in building around his franchise talent and accumulating quality depth.
Just to be clear, though, you really wouldn't trade two first-rounders for the chance to draft Andrew Luck?
for andrew luck yes, for teddy hell no.
Quote:I already stated very clearly there is no reason to do that because unless the #1 team is also desperate for a quarterback, I don't need to trade up, and if I need to trade, the #1 team would refuse all of my offers. What don't you understand about that?
The #1 team will trade the pick to a quarterback-desperate one... in this scenario, that's what Atlanta would do. What don't you understand about that?
Quote:The #1 team will trade the pick to a quarterback-desperate one... in this scenario, that's what Atlanta would do. What don't you understand about that?
i bet they would take Clowney and not trade back
Quote:i bet they would take Clowney and not trade back
After what St. Louis got for RGIII while moving only four spots back, I bet you they wouldn't.
Quote:Whoever you draft with that 2015 pick is just as likely to tear his ACL as anyone else. There's not much you can do to prevent freak knee injuries.
Washington is struggling because they've traded away picks like candy over the years (in several other deals) and have one of the worst cap situations in the league. Oh, and their front office has drafted terribly and has made poor signings. RGIII tearing his ACL is a big part of it, but you can't be afraid that Caldwell will do as poorly in building around his franchise talent and accumulating quality depth.
Just to be clear, though, you really wouldn't trade two first-rounders for the chance to draft Andrew Luck?
I'm hoping and praying you don't think Teddy = Luck....
Quote:I'm hoping and praying you don't think Teddy = Luck....
I'm hoping and praying that you're asking me this simply because it's three AM in the morning and you're too tired to function.
JaguarsWoman made a blanket statement that one should never trade up in the draft using multiple firsts. By listing Teddy, Luck, and THEN Peyton Manning in the post before that, it should be obvious that I'm using this year's example and then jumping to two of the best prospects ever to see if she would maintain that logic when presented with the most tantalizing of options. This is simple stuff.
I've been pretty adamant in my belief that Bridgewater is only behind Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck as the best QB prospect in the past 15 years, though. That's not very controversial.
Quote:The #1 team will trade the pick to a quarterback-desperate one... in this scenario, that's what Atlanta would do. What don't you understand about that?
The #1 team is as desperate for a quarterback as we are. Because the Falcons are most likely to pick Clowney, we don't need to trade with them. Just let Clowney go first and pick Bridgewater at #2.