Quote:You are kidding? ... Hernandez, just to play along. :blink:
I hope YOU are kidding.
Losing Hernandez isn't even close to losing your starting guard, 2 starting RBs, starting TE, & starting WR.
edit: Also they lost Hernandez/Welker BEFORE the season. Giving them time to adjust and bring in the appropriate players before hand (ex: Amendola for Welker).
Patriots have also lost Vince Wilfork and Jerod Mayo to IR while Steve Gregory, Aqib Talib, Rob Gronkowski, and Danny Amendola have all missed time. The Patriots have had significant injuries.
Quote:Patriots have also lost Vince Wilfork and Jerod Mayo to IR while Steve Gregory, Aqib Talib, Rob Gronkowski, and Danny Amendola have all missed time. The Patriots have had significant injuries.
Not to mention DT Tommy Kelly being lost for the season on top of Vince Wilfork and Jerod Mayo having their seasons end way to early.
A case can be made that Bill Belichick, his staff, and Tom Brady are getting more out of the Patriots roster than anytime since 2001. The vast majority of teams would be football dead and buried already if they had the injuries the Patriots have already dealt with this season.
Quote:I'm not sure they can win the South. I think the team that wins this weekend between the Clots & Tacks (got to appease the board) will win the division.
When Dwayne Allen, and Vick Ballard were lost for the season, then Bradshaw, and Wayne ... They lost the 4 best playmakers on the team. But you can see why Irsay feels like he does, the Patriots have lost a lot of playmakers as well, and they are still rolling. Not that Luck is in the same ballpark as Brady, because he isn't. Maybe in time he will be, but that ain't going to be this season (if ever).
It will be interesting to see if Irsay's tweets light a fire under some rear ends, especially the O-Line rears, and the D-Line isn't doing their jobs either. :no:
Andrew Luck is a terrific young QB who should only continue to improve if he stays relatively healthy. Yet, you make a good point with the Patriots comparison from the perspective of Jim Irsay.
In addition to what you mentioned regarding the situations with the respective teams in 2013, Tom Brady won a Super Bowl in his 2nd season in the NFL with a roster that at the beginning of that season looked anything but playoff caliber. Also, Ben Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl in his 2nd season in the NFL, with the Steelers. Both the Patriots and Steelers have provided Irsay with painful moments in the last decade.
As much as Andrew Luck has been a difference maker in many Colts games his first 2 seasons, it's going to be an uphill battle to match the team accomplishments of Brady and Roethlisberger in the short term. Jim Irsay should expect the Colts to reach the playoffs this season. Anything in the playoffs should be considered gravy. But regardless of the outcome of this season barring a total implosion, he should let the current regime continue to put together the pieces to the puzzle to surround Luck with. Continuity in the NFL is important.
Certainly within his rights to say as he wishes.....but indeed comes off as unprofessional.
Would be surprised if any good comes from it.
David, it's odd that you should say that as there was a lively debate about this being BB's greatest coaching job since 2001 on Sports radio today on the ride home after work. Hosts and callers were pretty evenly split on whether it was 2001 or 2013.
Also, as an aside, there is still an ongoing discussion here on whether he was right or wrong in going for it on 4th and 1 from the 28 against the Colts a few years ago. That argument will never die.
Personal note: lost the APBA World Series in 7 games this year, my 4th appearance since we started in 1981.
Quote:David, it's odd that you should say that as there was a lively debate about this being BB's greatest coaching job since 2001 on Sports radio today on the ride home after work. Hosts and callers were pretty evenly split on whether it was 2001 or 2013.
Also, as an aside, there is still an ongoing discussion here on whether he was right or wrong in going for it on 4th and 1 from the 28 against the Colts a few years ago. That argument will never die.
Personal note: lost the APBA World Series in 7 games this year, my 4th appearance since we started in 1981.
PF, it's a tough call between 2001 and 2013. Unless the Patriots somehow reach the Super Bowl this season, I'll probably go with 2001 only because the season looked so bleak on paper before it even started.
Because of the Tom Brady injury in the first half of Game # 1 in 2008, that season probably should be included in the discussion, even though the Patriots didn't make the playoffs that season despite an 11-5 record. While the Patriots schedule was favorable, what other HC would find a way to get 11 wins out of a Matt Cassel led team??? Very few, if any in the history of the NFL would be my answer.
Congrats on reaching Game # 7 of your APBA Baseball League Championship series. I was fortunate to win the APBA League ( I'm in ) World Series in 7 games this year, after losing the W.S. the previous 2 seasons. The team I had last season was better on paper but this year's team responded as well as any team I've put together.
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Personal note: lost the APBA World Series in 7 games this year, my 4th appearance since we started in 1981.
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Congrats on reaching Game # 7 of your APBA Baseball League Championship series. I was fortunate to win the APBA League ( I'm in ) World Series in 7 games this year, after losing the W.S. the previous 2 seasons. The team I had last season was better on paper but this year's team responded as well as any team I've put together.
What is APBA??
'08 was underrated in the BB legacy. He has an amazing ability to play the hand he's dealt as demonstrated by the '08 success. When he was out of DB's one year, he played WR Troy Brown back there; another time he went with 8 LB's instead of a defensive line. Remarkable coach.
3 consecutive years in the APBA WS is a tremendous achievement. I have been there in '81, '83, '86 and '13, the last being a 27 year gap. We have 10 teams north of Boston and 10 teams south and meet only in the World Series- always a great day.
APBA is a baseball game played with cards and dice. There is a card for each MLB player and the numbers on his card reflect his performance in the previous season. When he's up, you roll the dice and look at the number on his card, then read the result off a board (different board for each base situation- empty, runner on first, etc).
It's uncanny how close to their real performance the game comes. It sounds dumb but we have been at it in the same league for 32 years; D6 has a similar history.
www.apbagames.com I think
Quote:'08 was underrated in the BB legacy. He has an amazing ability to play the hand he's dealt as demonstrated by the '08 success. When he was out of DB's one year, he played WR Troy Brown back there; another time he went with 8 LB's instead of a defensive line. Remarkable coach.
3 consecutive years in the APBA WS is a tremendous achievement. I have been there in '81, '83, '86 and '13, the last being a 27 year gap. We have 10 teams north of Boston and 10 teams south and meet only in the World Series- always a great day.
I can't think of a Head Coach who has done a better job in adjusting to adverse situations than Bill Belichick. The amazing aspect of Tony Brown being used at CB is he more than held his own at the position. While other HC's have been creative, Belichick has set the bar for unorthodox methods AND results with them. No HC that I've seen over the years has put a greater emphasis on roster versatility than Belichick.
Thanks for your APBA thoughts and describing APBA Baseball to TMD.
TMD, as someone who enjoys Fantasy Baseball and Fantasy Football, I think you would really enjoy the strategy from a GM standpoint and as a Manager with Simulation Baseball games such as APBA. Unlike most Fantasy Leagues, APBA leagues more often than not have continuous ownership. ( For instance, I've had Adrian Beltre on my team since 1999. ) It provides an opportunity to build and maintain a franchise. There's an additional website to the one P.F. shared that would provide more information and discussions about the various APBA games:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/main.as...2083573756
Quote:Patriots have also lost Vince Wilfork and Jerod Mayo to IR while Steve Gregory, Aqib Talib, Rob Gronkowski, and Danny Amendola have all missed time. The Patriots have had significant injuries.
We were speaking offensively, as far as weapons, at least I was. Therefor defensive injuries are irrelevant in this conversation.
And when Amendola & Gronk were missing time, Tom Brady didn't look like the Tom Brady we're use too.
Quote:We were speaking offensively, as far as weapons, at least I was. Therefor defensive injuries are irrelevant in this conversation.
And when Amendola & Gronk were missing time, Tom Brady didn't look like the Tom Brady we're use too.
I disagree.
Defensive injuries put an Offense into much more difficult situations. I'm convinced the Broncos wouldn't have had anything close to the level of success they had with their ground game against the Patriots Defense if the Patriots starting 2 DT's and MLB were healthy instead of being on I.R.
While Tom Brady's timing was off a significant portion of the time when he was missing the key weapons you mentioned, the Patriots were still winning much more often than not.
My quote function isn't working but CW, when you said "the Patriots haven't really lost anyone, especially offensively", it triggered my response as to the defensive losses where they have been decimated.
Quote:I hope YOU are kidding.
Losing Hernandez isn't even close to losing your starting guard, 2 starting RBs, starting TE, & starting WR.
edit: Also they lost Hernandez/Welker BEFORE the season. Giving them time to adjust and bring in the appropriate players before hand (ex: Amendola for Welker).
No, not at all, Amendola is no replacement for Welker, and Hernandez was expected to be on the roster. Wheteher lost to FA, hurt in pre-season, in a game, or thrown in jail ... it took players that were Playmakers away from the Patriots. They also had a rash of injuries.
The Colts have lost good players to FA, so it happens. Just making note that the Patriots were severly thinned out at playmakers, and they still find a way to win. Dang, I am trying to think of their RB that has been in & out this season. Oh well.
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And when Amendola & Gronk were missing time, Tom Brady didn't look like the Tom Brady we're use too.
But the Patriots still won most of their games, even when Brady looked like crap.
On the BB discussion, I think the 2001 Patriots team was a pretty good team, I think Bledsoe was holding that team back at that point in his career. You could watch that team, and swear they were lousy, and Brady made a huge difference ... The O-Line couldn't block a Turtle with Bledsoe under center. I don't mean to knock on Bledsoe, he had his games where he looked like he was the best QB in the league, but he was far far from it. I'm going with 2013 as BB best coaching job. Every decision he makes this season seems to be the right one.
Coltwarrior, if any one teams situation is similar to the colts this year, it is the patriots.
Quote:No, not at all, Amendola is no replacement for Welker, and Hernandez was expected to be on the roster. Wheteher lost to FA, hurt in pre-season, in a game, or thrown in jail ... it took players that were Playmakers away from the Patriots. They also had a rash of injuries.
The Colts have lost good players to FA, so it happens. Just making note that the Patriots were severly thinned out at playmakers, and they still find a way to win. Dang, I am trying to think of their RB that has been in & out this season. Oh well.
But the Patriots still won most of their games, even when Brady looked like crap.
On the BB discussion, I think the 2001 Patriots team was a pretty good team, I think Bledsoe was holding that team back at that point in his career. You could watch that team, and swear they were lousy, and Brady made a huge difference ... The O-Line couldn't block a Turtle with Bledsoe under center. I don't mean to knock on Bledsoe, he had his games where he looked like he was the best QB in the league, but he was far far from it. I'm going with 2013 as BB best coaching job. Every decision he makes this season seems to be the right one.
Erm... Many Pats fans are more pleased with Amendola than they are with Welker. Pats fan on one of the Colts boards that I frequent said they liked Welker & wanted him to stay, but he dropped a lot of passes in crucial moments. He says that Amendola has filled in better than Welker, only problem is he does have an injury past.
Also, you state that Brady won most of those games.... So has Andrew Luck. Despite what everyones been talking about how "the Colts are doomed because of their play the last 4 weeks".... We've won 2 of those games. We're 7-4, Patriots are 8-3.
Patriots losses on offense don't even come close to the losses the Colts have had on offense and to think so is INSANE.
Quote:Coltwarrior, if any one teams situation is similar to the colts this year, it is the patriots.
Don't forget the Jags!
Quote:I disagree.
Defensive injuries put an Offense into much more difficult situations. I'm convinced the Broncos wouldn't have had anything close to the level of success they had with their ground game against the Patriots Defense if the Patriots starting 2 DT's and MLB were healthy instead of being on I.R.
While Tom Brady's timing was off a significant portion of the time when he was missing the key weapons you mentioned, the Patriots were still winning much more often than not.
I see what you're saying, but no.
Tom Brady throwing an accurate pass, throwing an inaccurate pass, throwing a touchdown, throwing an interception, etc. has nothing to do with Vince Wilfork or a LB.
Quote:Erm... Many Pats fans are more pleased with Amendola than they are with Welker.
I thought we both already knew that Patriots fans aren't all that smart. Were you sleeping in class when we covered that topic? I'm not letting you copy my notes again, hire your own secretary like I did.
Dude, you just went and used "Patriots" fans as a worthy example in a discussion. Are you sure you are really a Clots fan? I am starting to have my doubts. :woot: