Quote:I'd doubt McNair hires a defensive minded coach. Nobody does that anymore, well almost nobody <sigh>..., and the ones that do, you don't really see any real success. People will cite Pagano, but lets face it, without Andrew Luck, who is among the better QB prospects to come into the league in a long time, Pagano isn't winning in Indy....and to be honest, he still might not be even with Luck. Carroll is probably the only recent example....and he's a rare case as he's had plenty of head coach experience (and he hasn't done much in the playoffs, either)
So nobody does it, but you rattle off two successful examples/exceptions...
You might want to take a step back there for a minute.
Quote:So nobody does it, but you rattle off two successful examples/exceptions...
You might want to take a step back there for a minute.
You should know by now that it doesn't have to be true for him to argue it. I find the tap dancing impressive...honed by years of practice.
Quote:Four of the six were hired in the last 4 years. But I am sure you could just find a reason to discount that. You're desperate.
Right and with the exception of Carroll (who had a wealth of head coaching experience) none of the examples are all that good.
Quote:So nobody does it, but you rattle off two successful examples/exceptions...
You might want to take a step back there for a minute.
Successful? I guess we have different interpretations of the word...
Making the playoffs a time or 2 and quickly flaming out isn't very "successful" in my book.
Quote:Right and with the exception of Carroll (who had a wealth of head coaching experience) none of the examples are all that good.
Good according to who? You? The guys are coaching first place teams. Sorry that upsets you.
Quote:Good according to who? You? The guys are coaching first place teams. Sorry that upsets you.
lolz.....with 2 of the best QB in the sport....and lets see how far in the playoffs both get despite that benefit....
Last year both were bounced early.
Fox & Pagano are mediocre.
Lets take a peak at the super bowl winning coaches of recent shall we?
Ravens (John Harbaugh, defensive) over 49ers (Jim Harbaugh, offensive)
Giants (Tom Coughlin, offensive) over Patriots (Bill Belichick, defensive)
Packers (Mike McCarthy, offensive) over Steelers (Mike Tomlin, defensive)
Saints (Sean Payton, offensive) over Colts (Jim Caldwell, offensive)
Steelers (Mike Tomlin, defensive) over Cardinals (Ken Wisenhunt, offensive)
We can go further back, but defensive coaches start to dominate if you go farther than 5 years. We see a couple trends.
1) Most offensive coaches win with teams that have at least an adequate defense to carry the offense.
2) Offensive coaches have the most success in the NFC, but defensive coaches have the most success in the AFC.
3) QBs might be overrated in the playoffs.
Quote:Lets take a peak at the super bowl winning coaches of recent shall we?
Ravens (John Harbaugh, defensive) over 49ers (Jim Harbaugh, offensive)
Giants (Tom Coughlin, offensive) over Patriots (Bill Belichick, defensive)
Packers (Mike McCarthy, offensive) over Steelers (Mike Tomlin, defensive)
Saints (Sean Payton, offensive) over Colts (Jim Caldwell, offensive)
Steelers (Mike Tomlin, defensive) over Cardinals (Ken Wisenhunt, offensive)
We can go further back, but defensive coaches start to dominate if you go farther than 5 years. We see a couple trends.
1) Most offensive coaches win with teams that have at least an adequate defense to carry the offense.
2) Offensive coaches have the most success in the NFC, but defensive coaches have the most success in the AFC.
3) QBs might be overrated in the playoffs.
QBs overrated in the playoffs? What was the last team to win that didn't have a QB playing at an elite level? You have to go back a decade for the last time that happened.
Jaguar Scores this season....
Chiefs 28 - Jags 2
Jaguars 9 - Raiders 19
Jaguars 17 - Seahawks 45
Colts 37 - Jaguars 3
Jaguars 20 - Rams 34
Jaguars 19 - Broncos 35
Chargers 24 - Jaguars 6
49ers 42 - Jaguars 10
Jaguars 29 - Titans 27
Cardinals 27 - Jaguars 14
We've been in maybe 3 games at the half this season and that's being generous. Even then once the second half started we were pretty quickly out of those games. We suck horribly. I really don't understand how anyone could think we can actually win more games. We beat the Titans after they fumbled on their first play from scrimmage and then they continued to make mistake after mistake after mistake, and it was still a 2 point game at the end.
I didn't read this entire thread, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Texans beat us by at least 14 points.
If I had to guess, I'd say the score will be...
Texans - 28
Jags - 13
Quote:Lets take a peak at the super bowl winning coaches of recent shall we?
Ravens (John Harbaugh, defensive) over 49ers (Jim Harbaugh, offensive)
Giants (Tom Coughlin, offensive) over Patriots (Bill Belichick, defensive)
Packers (Mike McCarthy, offensive) over Steelers (Mike Tomlin, defensive)
Saints (Sean Payton, offensive) over Colts (Jim Caldwell, offensive)
Steelers (Mike Tomlin, defensive) over Cardinals (Ken Wisenhunt, offensive)
We can go further back, but defensive coaches start to dominate if you go farther than 5 years. We see a couple trends.
1) Most offensive coaches win with teams that have at least an adequate defense to carry the offense.
2) Offensive coaches have the most success in the NFC, but defensive coaches have the most success in the AFC.
3) QBs might be overrated in the playoffs.
John Harbaugh had like one year as a defensive coach. I am not considering him a defensive minded coach. He spent the bulk of his NFL coaching days as a ST's Coordinator. I don't lump those guys with either side.
Quote:Based on what?
Fox has an extensive track record of "average" so I don't understand why you'd even question that one....and he went one & done unsurprisingly last season in the playoffs despite having the best QB in the league.
Pagano looks to be following in similar footsteps as Fox.
Quote:And all of them are in that position because of their team's offense.
But what we're really getting to here is that the coach is only of minor importance compared with the passing game. Get Calvin Johnson and suddenly you can coach. Get AJ Green and suddenly you can coach. Get Andrew Luck and suddenly you can coach.
Not all. Seattle's defense is pretty incredible.
But ironically, offense-minded Andy Reid has the best defense in the league.
And I love Calvin, but I just don't agree that any receiver, no matter how great, will make enough of a difference without a good QB. In fact, we're seeing it right now on several teams around the league.
Quote:
But ironically, offense-minded Andy Reid has the best defense in the league.
And I love Calvin, but I just don't agree that any receiver, no matter how great, will make enough of a difference without a good QB. In fact, we're seeing it right now on several teams around the league.
1. Not ironically. Andy also had a really good defense in Philly for most of the time. He hired a great DC in Jim Johnson. Good coaches actually are able to field really good teams on both sides of the ball.
2. Disagree. Calvin IS that good. He was able to produce no matter what QB he had. He put up great numbers with Kitna, STanton and Orlavsky throwing him the rock in the years preceding Stafford.
Quote:The Jags will probably beat the Texans.....
The Texans will finish with a better pick than us and get the QB they need to add to that defense, and then we'll be out in the cold, again...
#becausejaguars
I've thought this as well. I will actually be quite unhappy if we beat them. This is the position my team puts me in.
Quote:Fox has an extensive track record of "average" so I don't understand why you'd even question that one....and he went one & done unsurprisingly last season in the playoffs despite having the best QB in the league.
Pagano looks to be following in similar footsteps as Fox.
That same QB went one and done a lot. And John Fox took Jake Delhomme to a Super Bowl.
Jake Delhomme.
Quote:1. Not ironically. Andy also had a really good defense in Philly for most of the time. He hired a great DC in Jim Johnson. Good coaches actually are able to field really good teams on both sides of the ball.
2. Disagree. Calvin IS that good. He was able to produce no matter what QB he had. He put up great numbers with Kitna, STanton and Orlavsky throwing him the rock in the years preceding Stafford.
Jim Johnson really was a great DC.
Calvin is so good, he put up gaudy numbers in a year where the Lions went 0-16. Which proves my point that WR is not a transcendent position. Having a great QB, or a pass rusher, or a shutdown corner will help you win more games with an otherwise average team than having an HOF receiver.
Which Johnson will likely be.
Edit: BTW, Reid didn't build that defense in KC. It was there when he showed up.
Quote:That same QB went one and done a lot. And John Fox took Jake Delhomme to a Super Bowl. Jake Delhomme.
Jake actually wasn't terrible in the first several years of his starting career. Later on though, whether it was cumulative effect from injury/ age or both....he regressed into a very bad QB.
Quote:Welcome back, BattleRed.
Your post implied that we can beat your team by blitzing and, I'm assuming, sacking your QB.
We just don't do that around here. You'll get your 3rd win out of us, either on Sunday or in a couple weeks.
Thank you for the warm welcome. Even without the blitz, our defense also appears to be very suspect on the deep pass, and has been for some good time. Without a good pass rush of our own, or CB's and safety's don't seem to have the ability to remain with the receivers. Add to that the injuries we have which include Kareem Jackson and Brian Cushing, then scoring points on the Texans defense at will is very possible, even with Henne under center.
How is the Jaguars Special teams unit this season? If decent, they will also be a good opportunity for the Jaguars to put points on the board because.....well, because for some reason we still have to suffer with SP coach Marciano. Our special teams just outright stink.