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Quote:even two years is too fast for a gm... let him gut or roster and field a team he has created and developed with his staff in place, THEN let the head hunt begin if it doesnt materialize

 

.... its like chef ramseys kitchen lol, he always comes in and insults people then spits his food on his plate while calling the place a bunch of expletives(i consider that to be the time caldwell told the tebow fans they arent getting what they want and then started gabbert to basicly reiterate we are garbage  lol), but then the first thing he always does before he makes changes is clean the entire kitchen... thats where we are now, cleaning the kitchen, and we had a nasty kitchen so that step took some time lol... im to the point now that i think the clean out is just about done since our cap is in good shape and we pretty much have no value left to trade(and the deadline passed)... so now we just have to let this dude hit the market and start constructing a winning team.... to go back to chef ramsey metaphor, this is the part he goes to the market and shows the people what to buy and harps on them about buying fresh food and not reusing frozen crap(i think that applies to FA's and draftees)... so yeah, i think the metaphor works pretty good, now we just have let ramsey cook up some dishes and wow an audience so our metaphoric restaurant doesnt turn to crap and move to a better area.

 

I disagree we need to see a major improvement in the team by the end of year 2 or it's time to move on. I'm not saying we have to be division winners or in the playoffs but this team should be competitive for 16 games and able to resemble an NFL roster in 2 years time.

Quote:oh, 'k.....no teams out there had needs at RB, LB or DE?? 

 

Seems that would be all the "basis" I'd need to make that claim. 

 

Just because there weren't more deals don't mean there weren't teams with those holes. 

 

There were only a few teams in Jax' position. Other teams probably still had intentions of either still trying to make the playoffs or like Tampa - even though they aren't in playoff contention - they have no intention of dealing the roster they have right now. Jax was one of the only ones that was in clear rebuild mode - and yet sat on their players. 

 

I will give you credit for one thing. You have quite an imagination.

 

I have an idea. You can try to sell a shirt on eBay for $100. Nobody will buy it. And not because people don't need shirts.

Quote:I disagree we need to see a major improvement in the team by the end of year 2 or it's time to move on. I'm not saying we have to be division winners or in the playoffs but this team should be competitive for 16 games and able to resemble an NFL roster in 2 years time.

 

In total agreement with the above. Without question. 

Quote:I disagree we need to see a major improvement in the team by the end of year 2 or it's time to move on. I'm not saying we have to be division winners or in the playoffs but this team should be competitive for 16 games and able to resemble an NFL roster in 2 years time.

i was speaking in terms of normal GM's life spans which avg well over 2 years, but i do agree with you to a point... there is no way we can field another roster like this one and have a season even close to what we had over the last 2 years... but i think in order to truly build a team to last you have to follow the process of bringing in good fitting and youthful guys that you develop properly and dont bust your cap like the cowboys or bucs... i like what cleveland and seattle have done, they didnt go and buy wilson or that cameron TE guy... they drafted well and are benefiting from it... we need to get our QB first off, then start piecing the puzzle together but i do believe it is essential not to rush... if you go out and grab as many high profile FA's as you can, it doesnt mean you are going to win and if it fails, you will end having to slice into your roster for cap room... for these reason i would give caldwell more time but i think you would have to see at least development from the young guys who are around now for people to see his process is working... so yes, if we suck this bad next year, obviously dave's idea isnt working, but i dont think i need to see a playoff team next year to give caldwell another chance, like i said, just some improvement from the young guys now and a competitive team that isnt an embarrassment will work for me.

Hang on.   Let me get this straight.  We just made crazy, stupid, drastic changes..... right?    

 

So..... let's go ahead and just do that all over again before we have any clue whether or not it worked the first time?  

 

Sounds reasonable. 

Quote:The most impressive things in the entire organization since the "rebuild" started are: 

 

WR coach Jerry Sullivan

 

WR Justin Blackmon, emergence of Mike Brown. 

 

I've wavered about the DB coach DeWayne Walker but, TBH, can anyone really say with a straight face that the DB's are playing all that well and developing well? I'd say the returns on that are "mixed" at best. 

 

But not much of anything else on the entire team has been good. Thats including the job Caldwell has done. I expected to see much more dealing of veterans in exchange for draft picks, and the ONLY one he deals is Monroe, and he messed that up. 

Mike Brown has 2 good games, Cecil has an impressive season and you don't even mention him.. what is your issue with the guy? 

Look at the bright side.

 

If we keep going at this rate for the next few seasons, London will want nothing to do with the NFL or the jags.

 

We are not tanking for Teddy, we are tanking for Jacksonville.

Quote:oh, 'k.....no teams out there had needs at RB, LB or DE?? 

 

Seems that would be all the "basis" I'd need to make that claim. 

 

Just because there weren't more deals don't mean there weren't teams with those holes. 

 

There were only a few teams in Jax' position. Other teams probably still had intentions of either still trying to make the playoffs or like Tampa - even though they aren't in playoff contention - they have no intention of dealing the roster they have right now. Jax was one of the only ones that was in clear rebuild mode - and yet sat on their players. 

I'm going to pose a question to you that I posed to you in another thread in a different forum that, to the best of my knowledge, remains unanswered by you.

 

I agree with the proposition that under ideal circumstances, the team would have traded players on our roster for picks next year.

 

But I want you to put yourselves in the shoes of a GM for another team.

 

What players on the Jaguars roster that were likely to be available for trade would you want to trade for?

 

If you are the GM for Seattle, you have a HUGE need for a viable T with Okung lost to injury.  You are looking at the Jaguars' roster, looking to ick the bones clean off our carcass.  Eugene Monroe is already gone.  Joeckel is out for the year due to injury.  Who do you make the deal for?

 

If you are the Patriots' GM, you have a gaping hole at WR given all of the departures over the offseason.  Brady needs weapons.  Looking at the Jaguars roster, you see Blackmon, who has been suspended already for substance abuse issues but is talented enough to make an impact, but given that the team has historically had a good locker room, do you risk bringing him in?  For that matter, do you think the Jaguars even consider trading him away?  Shorts?  You've already indicated a so so opinion of him.  Anyone else?

 

You are now the Packers' GM.  Jermichael Finley went down with injury.  Do you trade a pick for Marcedes Lewis, who has struggled with injury and production this year after struggling with production for the bulk of his career?  Yes, the loss of Finley hurts the offense, but we just won the Super Bowl a couple of years ago with Finley hurt for an extended period of time.

 

Speaking specifically to the positions you mentioned...

 

Who would deal for MJD, who has come off of a season with a major injury, who is older, whose production has fallen off dramatically from his career totals, and whose contract expires at the end of the season?  How do you sell that to your owner?

 

How are you sold that Jason Babin, a 30 something DE who cannot play the run, who has lost his production as a pass rusher and can't even stay on side is worth sacrificing potentially years of production a future pick could bring?

 

What would compel you to deal for an aging, expensive, two down LB in Poz?

 

If you are a successful GM, you typically haven't gotten that way making short term deals that come at the expense of longer term viability. 

 

I don't think you can find a compelling argument for anybody to trade for anyone on our roster.

Get back to me next year

Quote:Honestly, suck it up man.  Take the 0-16, let them draft their top rated QB, and let's see what happens then.

 

  Sure why not I love fish n chips, and London is a beautiful city.  Why should we complain about the Jaguars running with Britsh flags...

Jacksonville had its chance right?


I am only saying if the team continues on its current course simply drafting a great QB in the 1st round will not turn out to instant wins next year..

Quote:  Sure why not I love fish n chips, and London is a beautiful city.  Why should we complain about the Jaguars running with Britsh flags...

Jacksonville had its chance right?


I am only saying if the team continues on its current course simply drafting a great QB in the 1st round will not turn out to instant wins next year..

 

I gotta admit that didn't sit so well with me either

Quote:I gotta admit that didn't sit so well with me either

Pathetic Nationalism at its best. :whistling:

Quote:Pathetic Nationalism at its best. :whistling:

 

Please do tell, whats pathetic about national pride?

Quote:Yes, we're in the middle of one 'drastic change', let's just start another.

This is a point the deep thinkers on this board seem to miss on a pretty regular basis.

Quote:I'm going to pose a question to you that I posed to you in another thread in a different forum that, to the best of my knowledge, remains unanswered by you.

 

I agree with the proposition that under ideal circumstances, the team would have traded players on our roster for picks next year.

 

But I want you to put yourselves in the shoes of a GM for another team.

 

What players on the Jaguars roster that were likely to be available for trade would you want to trade for?

 

If you are the GM for Seattle, you have a HUGE need for a viable T with Okung lost to injury.  You are looking at the Jaguars' roster, looking to ick the bones clean off our carcass.  Eugene Monroe is already gone.  Joeckel is out for the year due to injury.  Who do you make the deal for?

 

If you are the Patriots' GM, you have a gaping hole at WR given all of the departures over the offseason.  Brady needs weapons.  Looking at the Jaguars roster, you see Blackmon, who has been suspended already for substance abuse issues but is talented enough to make an impact, but given that the team has historically had a good locker room, do you risk bringing him in?  For that matter, do you think the Jaguars even consider trading him away?  Shorts?  You've already indicated a so so opinion of him.  Anyone else?

 

You are now the Packers' GM.  Jermichael Finley went down with injury.  Do you trade a pick for Marcedes Lewis, who has struggled with injury and production this year after struggling with production for the bulk of his career?  Yes, the loss of Finley hurts the offense, but we just won the Super Bowl a couple of years ago with Finley hurt for an extended period of time.

 

Speaking specifically to the positions you mentioned...

 

Who would deal for MJD, who has come off of a season with a major injury, who is older, whose production has fallen off dramatically from his career totals, and whose contract expires at the end of the season?  How do you sell that to your owner?

 

How are you sold that Jason Babin, a 30 something DE who cannot play the run, who has lost his production as a pass rusher and can't even stay on side is worth sacrificing potentially years of production a future pick could bring?

 

What would compel you to deal for an aging, expensive, two down LB in Poz?

 

If you are a successful GM, you typically haven't gotten that way making short term deals that come at the expense of longer term viability. 

 

I don't think you can find a compelling argument for anybody to trade for anyone on our roster.

 

Color me shocked that Dr. Diva, the wannabe GM dodging grease splatter daily, risking his life and limb for the fast food industry has yet to respond to this. I guess his grill boss hasn't let him take a break yet today.  At least not to respond to this.

 

It's funny.  Diva constantly implies the Jags sat on their hands and didn't deal any players before the trade deadline as if it's fact.  In reality, he has no idea what transpired, but that's irrelevant.  It's all about the schtick. 

 

The Jaguars don't deal any players?  They were sitting on their hands.  Incessantly complain about it.

 

The Jaguars trade a player for picks?  The deal will never be good enough.  Incessantly complain about it.

 

The Diva spends so much time leaping from one side of the fence to another, it's a wonder he hasn't injured himself.

Quote:Color me shocked that Dr. Diva, the wannabe GM dodging grease splatter daily, risking his life and limb for the fast food industry has yet to respond to this. I guess his grill boss hasn't let him take a break yet today.  At least not to respond to this.

 

It is funny how he likes to pretend to be an expert and when he gets schooled he just stops replying.

Quote:I'm going to pose a question to you that I posed to you in another thread in a different forum that, to the best of my knowledge, remains unanswered by you.

 

I agree with the proposition that under ideal circumstances, the team would have traded players on our roster for picks next year.

 

But I want you to put yourselves in the shoes of a GM for another team.

 

What players on the Jaguars roster that were likely to be available for trade would you want to trade for?

 

If you are the GM for Seattle, you have a HUGE need for a viable T with Okung lost to injury.  You are looking at the Jaguars' roster, looking to ick the bones clean off our carcass.  Eugene Monroe is already gone.  Joeckel is out for the year due to injury.  Who do you make the deal for?

 

If you are the Patriots' GM, you have a gaping hole at WR given all of the departures over the offseason.  Brady needs weapons.  Looking at the Jaguars roster, you see Blackmon, who has been suspended already for substance abuse issues but is talented enough to make an impact, but given that the team has historically had a good locker room, do you risk bringing him in?  For that matter, do you think the Jaguars even consider trading him away?  Shorts?  You've already indicated a so so opinion of him.  Anyone else?

 

You are now the Packers' GM.  Jermichael Finley went down with injury.  Do you trade a pick for Marcedes Lewis, who has struggled with injury and production this year after struggling with production for the bulk of his career?  Yes, the loss of Finley hurts the offense, but we just won the Super Bowl a couple of years ago with Finley hurt for an extended period of time.

 

Speaking specifically to the positions you mentioned...

 

Who would deal for MJD, who has come off of a season with a major injury, who is older, whose production has fallen off dramatically from his career totals, and whose contract expires at the end of the season?  How do you sell that to your owner?

 

How are you sold that Jason Babin, a 30 something DE who cannot play the run, who has lost his production as a pass rusher and can't even stay on side is worth sacrificing potentially years of production a future pick could bring?

 

What would compel you to deal for an aging, expensive, two down LB in Poz?

 

If you are a successful GM, you typically haven't gotten that way making short term deals that come at the expense of longer term viability. 

 

I don't think you can find a compelling argument for anybody to trade for anyone on our roster.

 

 

Are you telling me there aren't many players on an 0-8 historically bad football team that would'nt garner leigitmate interest on the trade market? Shocking...

I have had enough change I can beleeb in for now, thank you.

Quote:The most impressive things in the entire organization since the "rebuild" started are: 

 

WR coach Jerry Sullivan

 

WR Justin Blackmon, emergence of Mike Brown. 

 

I've wavered about the DB coach DeWayne Walker but, TBH, can anyone really say with a straight face that the DB's are playing all that well and developing well? I'd say the returns on that are "mixed" at best. 

 

But not much of anything else on the entire team has been good. Thats including the job Caldwell has done. I expected to see much more dealing of veterans in exchange for draft picks, and the ONLY one he deals is Monroe, and he messed that up. 

 

I agree on WR coach Jerry Sullivan, the WRs are reallly good and he should take a big part of that credit...

Call me crazy, but I think guys like Pozluszny belong on this team.  Yes, he's not a great player, but he can part of a very good defense.  Yes, he's overpaid, but I don't pay his salary, and we have plenty of salary cap space.

 

I WOULD get rid of, or at least re-negotiate the contracts of Lewis and Mincey, though.