Quote:Pray tell, Mr. Double Signature, what should the Jaguars do? Just win more games? Just pull some wins out of their [BAD WORD REMOVED]? Is that how you win football games?
You're too funny! My sides are hurting!
Regards.......................the Chiefjag
Quote:WELL LET'S JUST NOT DRAFT AT ALL AND LET THE CLOCK RUN DOWN
You're one of the worst posters I've ever seen in my [BAD WORD REMOVED] life.
Can you put a thought together without having to remove a bad word? Is your vocabulary that limited?
Quote:Well currently Luck is #12 in ranking and RGIII is #17 and has a won/loss record 1-3. Coming out of college, being drafted #1 overall Couch, Russell, Carr, Smith, Bradford all had the same expectations. You can think you know what these guys will do, as those experts did who drafted CArr, Smith, Bradford, Russell, Couch, Palmer, Newton et. al. did but until they suit up you don't KNOW.
Tanking is for losers. Anybody wanting to tank for the #1 pick is a loser. The OP showed you it doesn't work the majority of the time.
Regards.......................the Chiefjag
Regards...................the Chiefjag
There was no "Stop the Hustle For JaMarcus Russell" Campaign. Or a "Let us be bad lord, for Sam Brad Ford" campaign.
For years the problem with this team was winning games they had no business winning. They didn't so much 'win' the games, as 'not lose' them. This hurt our draft position -- and made the team think that it was closer than it really was. Made the fans think we were closer than we really were.
I don't want to 'not lose' games. I want to win them. Our team is unfortunately bad enough to earn the first pick.
Quote:Can you put a thought together without having to remove a bad word? Is your vocabulary that limited?
Is your brain that limited that you cannot seem to comprehend what the Jacksonville Jaguars are doing? And if you and Chief are so disgusted by it, maybe you should go be fans of another team? I hear Tampa Bay is doing well right now...
OP is on the right track.
finally we have a lot of picks in a draft.
The more you have the better for sure.......instead of trading a couple for a guy that goes BUST
like we have in the past.
The Patriots hardly ever draft high....but they have a lot of picks.
Once they had a good quarterback(6th rounder btw) things fell into place with picks picks and more picks.
Quote:Is your brain that limited that you cannot seem to comprehend what the Jacksonville Jaguars are doing? And if you and Chief are so disgusted by it, maybe you should go be fans of another team? I hear Tampa Bay is doing well right now...
Well you answered my question, you put together a complete thought without getting vulgar congratulations.
As for what the franchise is doing I see it fine, I'm not in agreement with it, you know people can disagree or is that beyond what the conformity you've been taught?
Quote:Well you answered my question, you put together a complete thought without getting vulgar congratulations.
As for what the franchise is doing I see it fine, I'm not in agreement with it, you know people can disagree or is that beyond what the conformity you've been taught?
And I think you're wrong and I'd welcome to hear what you, in your infinite wisdom, think they should be doing. Retain aging veterans? Tebow? Splurge on free agents like Tampa Bay did? Lot of good that did them...
Quote:OP is on the right track.
finally we have a lot of picks in a draft.
The more you have the better for sure.......instead of trading a couple for a guy that goes BUST
like we have in the past.
The Patriots hardly ever draft high....but they have a lot of picks.
Once they had a good quarterback(6th rounder btw) things fell into place with picks picks and more picks.
What's the success of 6th round Quarterbacks again? Anyone want to take a stab at this.
THOSE SIXTH ROUND QB'S ARE CRAZY GOOD!
Quote:And I think you're wrong and I'd welcome to hear what you, in your infinite wisdom, think they should be doing. Retain aging veterans? Tebow? Splurge on free agents like Tampa Bay did? Lot of good that did them...
Are you new to the board? honest question, I've gone over several times what I wish we would've done, retain the little talent we did have while we focused on areas of extreme need.
As the opportunity came to upgrade positions with younger talent do it, but don't cut starters to just clean house, these total rebuilds almost never work.
It's why I liked the Monroe Trade until it came out what we got for him, moving Monroe is fine if you believe you have a younger Tackle that will replace him (we spent the 2nd overall pick on him) the problem was the compensation, if you're only getting 2 third day picks keep both of them and have solid book end tackles. Or use the 2nd overall pick for a position of need in the first place (that's what Caldwell said his philosophy was needs drafting)
Quote:Are you new to the board? honest question, I've gone over several times what I wish we would've done, retain the little talent we did have while we focused on areas of extreme need.
As the opportunity came to upgrade positions with younger talent do it, but don't cut starters to just clean house, these total rebuilds almost never work.
It's why I liked the Monroe Trade until it came out what we got for him, moving Monroe is fine if you believe you have a younger Tackle that will replace him (we spent the 2nd overall pick on him) the problem was the compensation, if you're only getting 2 third day picks keep both of them and have solid book end tackles. Or use the 2nd overall pick for a position of need in the first place (that's what Caldwell said his philosophy was needs drafting)
I don't come to the board very often because of the Jagwhyers like yourself who go from complaints like this to suggesting that Khan is purposefully making the team bad in order to move them to London.
The little talent we had was so irrelevant that there is no point in retaining it. The ONE guy I'd go with you would be Daryl Smith, but he was coming off of an injury. There was no telling if he'd play the same this year.
You're describing the Gene Smith style of rebuilding. As if we were only one or two moves away from being a contender.
Quote:What's the success of 6th round Quarterbacks again? Anyone want to take a stab at this.
THOSE SIXTH ROUND QB'S ARE CRAZY GOOD!
The point is WE ARE GOING TO BE DRAFTING TOP 5 anyway. Stringing together some wins will help heal the current culture of losing.
I'm paying $200 per game to watch this team on Sundays. There is nothing fun about watching this complete ineptitude.
Regards............................the Chiefjag
Quote:The point is WE ARE GOING TO BE DRAFTING TOP 5 anyway. Stringing together some wins will help heal the current culture of losing.
I'm paying $200 per game to watch this team on Sundays. There is nothing fun about watching this complete ineptitude.
Regards............................the Chiefjag
Drink my friend and drink often? I went to lunch with the wife and kids after church wasn't planing on watching this one but got sucked in when I saw the Blackmon TD in the 1st quarter.
I'm taking the family on a weekend camping trip next week, don't think we'll be back in time to see the Denver beating.
Until this year I've made it a point to some way watch or attend every game in history, at this point I'm trying to avoid them.
Quote:The point is WE ARE GOING TO BE DRAFTING TOP 5 anyway. Stringing together some wins will help heal the current culture of losing.
I'm paying $200 per game to watch this team on Sundays. There is nothing fun about watching this complete ineptitude.
Regards............................the Chiefjag
Yeah, because teams with little to no talent and the talent we do have is very young players, can just "string together some wins."
Does Khan have a gun to your head? You didn't have to get season tickets. I absolutely love that I have season tickets in the NEZ, where it'll be rocking for Teddy next year, when you'll be eating crow.
Just the idea of tanking for a specific player is being stupid and ignoring the success rate of the Top ten QB picks. So many people think Bridgewater is a cant miss lock for the HOF. There are no locks, we don't know if a player will blow out a knee in game one, or a player thought a lock by everyone, ( see Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young..) turns into a bust.
If you need a QB, and you can draft in the top 10, the statistics show that is as good a position as can be foreseen to grab a quality starter.
We will have a top 5 pick, and it doesn't have to be Bridgewater.
You try to win, that is a given, then let the chips fall where they may. The further you are from the top ten selections, the less chance you have that a franchise type QB will be selected. But in the top ten, there are franchise QB's to be had thoughout.
Perhaps we have been spoiled by seeing a once is lifetime talent like Peyton picked number one. He is special and I don't care where you draft, those types can not be predicted, he is great in all aspects of the game including Longetivity, and nobody can predict that.
There are plenty of great QB's taken with mid to late first round picks, Flacco, Matt ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Griffin, Tannehill, Aaron Rodgers, Rivers, on and on. If you get lucky, you can get a great QB even later obviously, like a Montana or a Brady, but the point is that 1st rounders in the top ten have as good a chance as THE number one pick. The Vince Youngs and Sam Bradfords are proof of that. They were the Teddy Bridgewaters of a few years ago.
Listen to the facts, no team tanks on purpose, no real fan hopes their team loses every game just to draft one player that may or may not work out. The people saying that garbage cannot be buying tickets, it's a bummer to drive home after a loss.
Quote:Just the idea of tanking for a specific player is being stupid and ignoring the success rate of the Top ten QB picks. So many people think Bridgewater is a cant miss lock for the HOF. There are no locks, we don't know if a player will blow out a knee in game one, or a player thought a lock by everyone, ( see Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young..) turns into a bust.
If you need a QB, and you can draft in the top 10, the statistics show that is as good a position as can be foreseen to grab a quality starter.
We will have a top 5 pick, and it doesn't have to be Bridgewater.
You try to win, that is a given, then let the chips fall where they may. The further you are from the top ten selections, the less chance you have that a franchise type QB will be selected. But in the top ten, there are franchise QB's to be had thoughout.
Perhaps we have been spoiled by seeing a once is lifetime talent like Peyton picked number one. He is special and I don't care where you draft, those types can not be predicted, he is great in all aspects of the game including Longetivity, and nobody can predict that.
There are plenty of great QB's taken with mid to late first round picks, Flacco, Matt ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Griffin, Tannehill, Aaron Rodgers, Rivers, on and on. If you get lucky, you can get a great QB even later obviously, like a Montana or a Brady, but the point is that 1st rounders in the top ten have as good a chance as THE number one pick. The Vince Youngs and Sam Bradfords are proof of that. They were the Teddy Bridgewaters of a few years ago.
No tanking should be wished for, the chief is correct, we will get a top ten selectioni no matter if we squeak out a win or two. That is all that is needed with some luck and research.
So l hope we win some games, or at least hope that we are competetive, instead of hoping to lose every game, just to satisfy all the people with Teddy posters above their bed.
It's such a stupid mentality hoping to lose, and I am sure any NFL expert would say the same based on History such as the OP presented.
Listen to the facts, no team tanks on purpose, no real fan hopes their team loses every game just to draft one player that may or may not work out. The people saying that [BAD WORD REMOVED] cannot have tickets, it's a bummer to drive home after a loss.
Depends on what you call tanking. Do the coaches and players intentionally not try their hardest to win the games? No, of course they are doing everything they can to win. But the GM and Gus knew prior to the year they were going to be horrible. And they intentionally made no actions in order to try to be mediocre, which IMO is the correct move. Is that considered tanking? I think it does, but its not a bad thing. In the process of tanking you find the pieces that are worth keeping for the future, while improving your draft position, which is key in a rebuild.
I can't believe we're at the point where we debate whether the team is intentionally tanking or not, as if this is even a real thing in sports. You people have never met an athlete before.
Quote:HUH???
Signed, the colts
Implying that either the Colts or the current Jaguars have enough talent on their team to actually 'string together some wins' like you can just do that in professional football.
The Jags lack talent. Plain and simple. There is no "tanking" going on - we just plain suck.
"Could" the Jags have gotten a little better this past offseason? Sure. They could have overpaid for some free agents, maybe kept players like Cox, Knighton, Smith. But ultimately, the Jags finally decided they needed a clean slate. They cleaned up some salary cap issues and next offseason they'll get rid of the other dead weight on the roster - Lewis, Mincey, Poz. Players getting paid huge sums for mediocre performance.
If you think of it in those terms, the Monroe trade makes sense. You get an extra 4th and 5th, and save $7-10 M in salary cap space so you can probably get both an upgrade at C and RT for what you would have paid Monroe.