I'd rather just try to acquire RB Bryce Brown from the Eagles for one of our 4th rounders.
Given that with Chris Polk's development, Bryce Brown will be expendable to them. They likely aren't keeping all 3 RB heading into next year, and McCoy ain't going anywhere. They initially acquired Brown via a 7th rounder, so a 4th rounder is decent return on their initial investment.
For the Jags point of view, they'd be getting a 22 soon to be 23 year old RB who has already shown flashes of being able to play at a high level in this league, as opposed to instead playing the college lottery for one.
Quote:I'd rather just try to acquire RB Bryce Brown from the Eagles for one of our 4th rounders.
Given that with Chris Polk's development, Bryce Brown will be expendable to them. They likely aren't keeping all 3 RB heading into next year, and McCoy ain't going anywhere. They initially acquired Brown via a 7th rounder, so a 4th rounder is decent return on their initial investment.
For the Jags point of view, they'd be getting a 22 soon to be 23 year old RB who has already shown flashes of being able to play at a high level in this league, as opposed to instead playing the college lottery for one.
Or perhaps he just isn't that good.
He's 3rd on the depth chart now because Polk clearly outplayed him all offseason and not to mention he's struggled with fumbles and dropped passes as well. I don't want to give up a 4th rounder for a guy who can't hold onto the ball or hold off an UDFA who clearly is better. In your scenario why not trade for Polk instead?
Quote:Or perhaps he just isn't that good.
He's 3rd on the depth chart now because Polk clearly outplayed him all offseason and not to mention he's struggled with fumbles and dropped passes as well. I don't want to give up a 4th rounder for a guy who can't hold onto the ball or hold off an UDFA who clearly is better. In your scenario why not trade for Polk instead?
Not sure where you are getting your misinformation....
Eagles current depth chart:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/depth-chart.html
Bryce Brown is playing terrible so far this year. Pass.
Quote:Bryce Brown is playing terrible so far this year. Pass.
In limited playing time THIS season i.e. all being a few backup carries, he hasn't done a whole lot, agreed, but is that a reason to pass?
If he had been doing extremely well, then you wouldn't be able to get him at the rate of a 4th rounder, thus making the deal not even beneficial to persue.
A good GM finds these kind of steals where you wind up getting a player who far outperforms their initial "value" that was given up to acquire them. Its a low-risk, potential high reward deal.
Brown has proven last season, when he was given actual starts that he can play at a high level....to the tune of 170 yards per game in both of them, IIRC....You'd instead rather play the college lottery for a RB??
Obviously Brown isn't perfect, but any warts he does have are coachable. His pure talent, which has flashed "elite" at times, is not coachable, its innate.
So a guy that has flashed "elite" talent is available for a Fourth round selection?! This seems too good to be true.
Where are his "elite" flashes now? He's running behind the same line McCoy is doing just fine behind.
I'd like a guy that makes the most out of his carries. He hasn't had a bunch but with the way he's running now. Still gonna pass. He's not a sure thing he could very well be the next Samkon Gado for all we know.
Quote:So a guy that has flashed "elite" talent is available for a Fourth round selection?! This seems too good to be true.
His value probably has dipped a bit due to the fumbling concern (mainly from last season) and the fact that he has yet to do much this season, albeit, he hasn't had many opportunities, either.
I think a 4th rounder is probably pretty close to what his open market value would be in a trade.
Quote:Where are his "elite" flashes now? He's running behind the same line McCoy is doing just fine behind.
I'd like a guy that makes the most out of his carries. He hasn't had a bunch but with the way he's running now. Still gonna pass. He's not a sure thing he could very well be the next Samkon Gado for all we know.
He made the most of his starts. Thats good enough for me. If you want to nitpick based on how he's done with minimal carries this season, thats on you. A lot of times a RB needs consistent carries to get in his rhythm and break one, especially some of the bigger RB like Brown.
Quote:His value probably has dipped a bit due to the fumbling concern (mainly from last season) and the fact that he has yet to do much this season, albeit, he hasn't had many opportunities, either.
I think a 4th rounder is probably pretty close to what his open market value would be in a trade.
Who are the recent RB's that have been traded for a Fourth Round pick that gives you this perspective? I'm having trouble seeing what you are seeing in terms of the "market value".
Quote:He made the most of his starts. Thats good enough for me. If you want to nitpick based on how he's done with minimal carries this season, thats on you. A lot of times a RB needs consistent carries to get in his rhythm and break one, especially some of the bigger RB like Brown.
Well, not really. A glance at his ProFootballReference.com page shows that he had four games with 10+ carries last season. While he did put up solid numbers vs Carolina and Dallas -- ranked 14th and 22nd against the run I believe -- he also had a Yards/Carry average of 0.5 and 2.13 in his next two games against two quality Defenses in Tampa Bay and Cincinnati.
He's a competent guy, yes. But it seems like once teams got a little tape on him, he efficiency dropped off.
Quote:Who are the recent RB's that have been traded for a Fourth Round pick that gives you this perspective? I'm having trouble seeing what you are seeing in terms of the "market value".
I'm hypothesizing based on variables of his age/ what round he was initially drafted in/ his production since; both in starts and in sparse carries as a backup/ warts like fumbling issue last season/
I think a 4th rounder is a reasonable return for a player in his situation.
I think the Eagles would take it, given that they have Polk now as a backup, and a 4th rounder would be good return on their initial investment of a 7th rounder.
If Brown starts another game this season and produces another 150+ yard performance like the 2 last season, you can bet that the value would probably jump to possibly a 2nd or high 3rd.
I see this as an opportunity for some savvy GM in this league, and I hope its us making the move. Can't say we don't need a RB. And at 23 years old, its basically the same as a rookie, except, you actually get a player that actually has proven he can play a little in this league.
Quote:Well, not really. A glance at his ProFootballReference.com page shows that he had four games with 10+ carries last season. While he did put up solid numbers vs Carolina and Dallas -- ranked 14th and 22nd against the run I believe -- he also had a Yards/Carry average of 0.5 and 2.13 in his next two games against two quality Defenses in Tampa Bay and Cincinnati.
He's a competent guy, yes. But it seems like once teams got a little tape on him, he efficiency dropped off.
I think you're being way too quick to write him off....
probably because it was me who suggested this deal....if someone else had written the exact same idea, you'd be tripping over yourself to say what an interesting/ good idea it might be, but since I came up with it - you search for reasons to hate it/ put it down/ find reasons why it wouldn't work.
Quote:I think you're being way too quick to write him off....
probably because it was me who suggested this deal....if someone else had written the exact same idea, you'd be tripping over yourself to say what an interesting/ good idea it might be, but since I came up with it - you search for reasons to hate it/ put it down/ find reasons why it wouldn't work.
i would make that trade. bryce looks like he has a lot of talent. the fumbling problem is an issue but thats one that can be fixed. 4th rounder would be a really good pick up in my opinion.
Quote:I think you're being way too quick to write him off....
probably because it was me who suggested this deal....if someone else had written the exact same idea, you'd be tripping over yourself to say what an interesting/ good idea it might be, but since I came up with it - you search for reasons to hate it/ put it down/ find reasons why it wouldn't work.
Don't be so quick to play the victim here. While Brown has shown ability in the NFL, he has also shown a regression. By the time he will be available to us and be in a position to help, he will have two NFL seasons under his belt, and what appears to be a declining Yards/Carry average. Those are facts, and while they are not completely damning, I think that a better RB could be found in the draft that could better serve the team, despite it being a lottery.
Quote:Don't be so quick to play the victim here. While Brown has shown ability in the NFL, he has also shown a regression.
....hence the reason you'd be getting him at a bargain with the 4th rounder. :ermm:
(and tbh, I wouldn't even label it as a "regression", since he hasn't had the carries/ same opportunities this season, but if you wish to, be my guest.)
Quote:....hence the reason you'd be getting him at a bargain with the 4th rounder....
And also the reason I'd like to spend my Fourth Round selection on someone who is
not in a perceived decline.
Quote:....hence the reason you'd be getting him at a bargain with the 4th rounder. :ermm:
(and tbh, I wouldn't even label it as a "regression", since he hasn't had the carries/ same opportunities this season, but if you wish to, be my guest.)
Then what would you call the dip in his performance last season in the Tampa Bay and Cincinnati games where he had comparable carries/opportunities?
Quote:And also the reason I'd like to spend my Fourth Round selection on someone who is not in a perceived decline.
LOL @ "perceived decline"....
yes, because most 23 year old RB who have semi recent 150 yard games to their cred usually just drop off the face of the earth, right?? :wacko:
Quote:Then what would you call the dip in his performance last season in the Tampa Bay and Cincinnati games where he had comparable carries/opportunities?
So, you expected him to have 170 yards every single game, huh???
Good thing you weren't the GM when Fred Taylor had that occasional off game or 2 when he was a rookie.....you'd have declared him "in decline"...
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Quote:And also the reason I'd like to spend my Fourth Round selection on someone who is not in a perceived decline.
I dunno man....thats going to be a pretty short list, going by your standards....any RB that has an off game or 2 while starting is apparently "in decline" to you...