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From what I've seen so far he's not even close to Monroe.. let's just hope that was a product of him moving to the right side.. and maybe this weekend he will play lights out. 

Quote:From what I've seen so far he's not even close to Monroe.. let's just hope that was a product of him moving to the right side.. and maybe this weekend he will play lights out.

I wouldn't bet on it facing off against this year's best DE Robert Quinn.

Quote:I wouldn't bet on it facing off against this year's best DE Robert Quinn.

If he plays well that'd be a nice sign. 

He was routinely getting burned on the speed rush at RT. Hopefully it was just because he's not used to springing out of his stance on the right side to stop it.

 

 

He has higher potential than Monroe, very little doubt about it. The issue is that one in the hand is better than two in the bush. 

Quote:He better, or the entire first offseason of this new regime is a bust.

 

That's fair.

 

If Joeckel does not surpass Monroe's performance, then it would not bode well for the team.

 

That would also set this team back considerably.

Monroe has been, IMO, just above average for a starting LT.  With the change to protecting a better QB in Flacco, instead of Gabbert/Henne, Monroe's perceived effectiveness as a LT will likely go up.  As we have really not seen Joeckel playing in live games at LT as yet, it is hard to tell where his career may end up compared to Monroe.  However, if the Jags draft a new QB early next year, Joeckel will likely have had the better QB for more of his early career than Monroe had respectively.    

Hard to say.  But just given draft position and the fact that Eugene never truly emerged as a top LT, I'll go with Luke.  

Maybe, maybe not, I think a more pertinant question would be will Jockel and [inert RT name here] be a better OT tandem than Monroe and Jockel? I have my doubts.

Quote:Neither matters if we are still losing

Patience is a virtue Grasshopper

Yes, Joeckel will be a pro bowl left tackle in a couple years and has way more potential and upside. Monroe is a solid left tackle but will never be All Pro caliber. Which is basically what all the draft analysts said the day we picked him.

This GM is making a very big gamble based on potential. Joeckel hasn't been vetted yet he's already being crowned better at LT. Boselli, who is becoming nearly unbearable to listen to, said as much on JTW. I hope for our sake Joeckel is the next best thing since, well Boselli, but I have my doubts. I also don't understand why Monroe, who is only 26, was not in the Dave Caldwell plans but guys like MJD, Lewis, and Poz are.


Basically we knew what we had with Monroe: a good, maybe not all-pro, but good, reliable player that could start on just about any team. We don't know anything about Joeckel. We gave away a known for an unknown at a premium position. I don't agree.

Quote:This GM is making a very big gamble based on potential. Joeckel hasn't been vetted yet he's already being crowned better at LT. Boselli, who is becoming nearly unbearable to listen to, said as much on JTW. I hope for our sake Joeckel is the next best thing since, well Boselli, but I have my doubts. I also don't understand why Monroe, who is only 26, was not in the Dave Caldwell plans but guys like MJD, Lewis, and Poz are.


Basically we knew what we had with Monroe: a good, maybe not all-pro, but good, reliable player that could start on just about any team. We don't know anything about Joeckel. We gave away a known for an unknown at a premium position. I don't agree.

 

When you get that kind of giant compensation in return, you have to make that deal. The Ravens bowled us over and made a deal we couldn't refuse. The Ravens gave us the house....

I do think that Joeckel will (in time) prove to be the better OLT, and upon development will be a top 5 OLT in the entire NFL, tbh....

Quote:When you get that kind of giant compensation in return, you have to make that deal. The Ravens bowled us over and made a deal we couldn't refuse. The Ravens gave us the house....

You really think a 4th and a 5th is going to give us as much value long term as Monroe cause I don't.

Quote:You really think a 4th and a 5th is going to give us as much value long term as Monroe cause I don't.

 

Draft picks are very valuable, no matter which round you have one in.  For a rebuilding team like us, they are vital.  What those picks give us is more ammunition to select more players, or to even trade up into an earlier round and snag the guy you want.   When you combine this with the fact that we have a young stud who is capable of manning the LT position for the next 10+ years, the trade had to have been a no-brainer for Caldwell.

Quote:He better, or the entire first offseason of this new regime is a bust.

Lol. Because its different? We haven't had someone rebuild like this before. I for one, like the change. What we did in the past never worked.

Quote:You really think a 4th and a 5th is going to give us as much value long term as Monroe cause I don't.

 

I think your sarcasm meter must have been turned off.

Rookies can take some time to develop, but usually one sees some 'wow' plays that give one hope for the future. Even Alualu had a 'wow' play in his first preseason game. OTOH, Reggie Williams never had a 'wow' play as a rookie.


 

Being an offensive lineman, there's not a lot of opportunity to 'wow', but I don't remember any 'wow' plays from Joeckel. I don't remember any pancake blocks, or him stoning a pass rusher at the LOS. If anyone here knows of a video of a great play from Joeckel, please post it.


 

As far as playing out of position, he failed to cut the rusher (although he was in position to do so) on several plays allowing tipped/intercepted passes, which should not matter whether he's playing RT or LT. I don't think he's as far along as Monroe was by game 4, and Monroe really didn't start playing well until his 3rd season.

Quote: I also don't understand why Monroe, who is only 26, was not in the Dave Caldwell plans but guys like MJD, Lewis, and Poz are.

 

 

I do understand why Monroe wasn't in Caldwell's plans (but disagree with how he handled it) , but I'm with you in not understanding why guys like MJD, BUM Lewis, and Poz are allegedly in the plans. They all should be gone. Those are the kind of players that you do "take whatever you can get" on the trade market. 

Quote:Rookies can take some time to develop, but usually one sees some 'wow' plays that give one hope for the future. Even Alualu had a 'wow' play in his first preseason game. OTOH, Reggie Williams never had a 'wow' play as a rookie.


 

Being an offensive lineman, there's not a lot of opportunity to 'wow', but I don't remember any 'wow' plays from Joeckel. I don't remember any pancake blocks, or him stoning a pass rusher at the LOS. If anyone here knows of a video of a great play from Joeckel, please post it.


 

As far as playing out of position, he failed to cut the rusher (although he was in position to do so) on several plays allowing tipped/intercepted passes, which should not matter whether he's playing RT or LT. I don't think he's as far along as Monroe was by game 4, and Monroe really didn't start playing well until his 3rd season.

 

I think it is better to judge him at his natural position.  Lets see how he does from this point on.  Also, didn't Alualu get 16 games during his rookie year to be judged?  Again, you seem to take 4 games and turn them into 16 predicting things that are completely unpredictable.