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Quote:It has nothing to do with the position you are taking them. It has to do with the fact that Bridgewater is far more polished as a QB than 99% of the QBs drafted in probably the last decade. Teddy spent a lot of the offseason working on his footwork which was already damn good. You can tell it and his rollouts have improved this season.

 

I'm not saying they would be better than Bridgewater, I'm saying they would be franchise QB material. They would get a franchise QB and be able to solidify the rest of the team.

Quote:Why do you keep saying #2 2015.  If you're trading down with #12 in 2014, that team is probably going to be drafting a bit lower than #2 in 2015.

 

I meant to be saying #5 (modeling it after the Saints trade)

Quote:I meant to be saying #5 (modeling it after the Saints trade)

But you have no guarantee of what number it will be.  Could be #32 for all we know.  A team trading up that far likely wants to trade up because they feel they can get the missing piece.  

You won't find many people willing to take that trade. We want/need a franchise QB. The first pick gives us the ability to take whichever one we want.

Quote:I'm not saying they would be better than Bridgewater, I'm saying they would be franchise QB material. They would get a franchise QB and be able to solidify the rest of the team.

 

Right. And what I am saying is that even though you can get a franchise QB at basically any point in a draft, you are still far better off taking the most polished QB who is still improving, over someone like Fales(Gabbert) who has tools that you hope develop into NFL quality play.

 

This QB class has more of those guys. The war tested guys barring maybe Boyd are basically game managers with very low ceilings (ala McCarron).

 

You are very literally saying the Jaguars should consider doing the exact thing they did when they took Gabbert.

Quote:But you have no guarantee of what number it will be.  Could be #32 for all we know.  A team trading up that far likely wants to trade up because they feel they can get the missing piece.  

 

Like I said, I'm modeling it after the Saints trade. I'm not about to play out a whole hypothetical season to develop a hypothetical draft order. I'm keeping it simple and modeling it after a trade that already happened. If you want to play out a hypothetical season, go make your own thread and have fun.

<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">So side discussions can't take place? Right.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">In any case, your hypothetical makes absolutely no sense, because Dave Caldwell is not going to know what pick he's going to get in 2015 if one is made available.  The hypothetical would have to be posed as:


2014 first rounder (between # and #)

<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">2014 second rounder

<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">2015 first rounder

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">etc...

Quote:You won't find many people willing to take that trade. We want/need a franchise QB. The first pick gives us the ability to take whichever one we want.

 

So you don't trust the front office / scouts to be able to land a franchise QB if they use:

2014 pick #12

2014 pick #33

2015 (top 10 pick of jags)

2015 pick #5

 

You could get 4 1st round value QB prospects, let them all come in and battle for the position. The odds are that at least ONE of those guys will be the "franchise QB that we want/need".

 

Then you would still have a handful of extra picks to fill more holes. Basically, what you guys are saying, is that Bridgewater is the only quarterback in the 2014 or 2015 draft that you think will become a franchise QB.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">So side discussions can't take place? Right.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">In any case, your hypothetical makes absolutely no sense, because Dave Caldwell is not going to know what pick he's going to get in 2015 if one is made available.  The hypothetical would have to be posed as:


2014 first rounder (between # and #)

<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">2014 second rounder

<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">2015 first rounder

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">etc...

 

 

You are more than welcome to make your own thread about "pick ? and pick ?". I am comparing picks to the Saints trade of 1999. If that makes "absolutely no sense" to you, you are more than welcome to create your own thread.

Quote:You could draft a QB at pick #12, pick #33, AND pick #2 in 2015. The odds are that ONE of them would become this mythical "franchise QB". Then you would still have:

 

3rd in 2014

3rd in 2015

4th in 2014

5th in 2014

6th in 2014

 

to fill in other holes.

 

You guys are nuts.

 

I'm done waiting around for a franchise qb.  If you enjoy watching the team suffer with incompetent passer's, power to ya.

 

Plus, there's no guarantee there will be a QB of Teddy's caliber available with any of those other picks.

Quote:I'm done waiting around for a franchise qb.  If you enjoy watching the team suffer with incompetent passer's, power to ya.

 

Plus, there's no guarantee there will be a QB of Teddy's caliber available with any of those other picks.

 

Did I say we don't take a franchise QB? For God's sake I said we pick FOUR of them in the next two drafts. If you have Four 1st round grade QBs, the odds are that at least one will become the franchise QB.

 

Again, that QB doesn't have to be Teddy caliber to make sense. You can use the 3rd/4th/5th round picks to draft interior offensive lineman. The overall product would be better, and if you don't agree then you might as well admit that you believe "Teddy or bust".

Quote:So you don't trust the front office / scouts to be able to land a franchise QB if they use:

2014 pick #12

2014 pick #33

2015 (top 10 pick of jags)

2015 pick #5

 

You could get 4 1st round value QB prospects, let them all come in and battle for the position. The odds are that at least ONE of those guys will be the "franchise QB that we want/need".

 

Then you would still have a handful of extra picks to fill more holes. Basically, what you guys are saying, is that Bridgewater is the only quarterback in the 2014 or 2015 draft that you think will become a franchise QB.

 

I don't think anybody has said that at all.

Quote:You are more than welcome to make your own thread about "pick ? and pick ?". I am comparing picks to the Saints trade of 1999. If that makes "absolutely no sense" to you, you are more than welcome to create your own thread.

You cant tell people where the discussion goes.  Its a topic and its not up to you put parameters.

 

With that said, if you can get an offer similar to the Saints and not fall out of the top 5 in the 2014 draft, you would be crazy not to take it.

Quote:Did I say we don't take a franchise QB? For God's sake I said we pick FOUR of them in the next two drafts. If you have Four 1st round grade QBs, the odds are that at least one will become the franchise QB.

 

Again, that QB doesn't have to be Teddy caliber to make sense. You can use the 3rd/4th/5th round picks to draft interior offensive lineman. The overall product would be better, and if you don't agree then you might as well admit that you believe "Teddy or bust".

 

Drafting four quarterbacks in the span of two drafts is just ignorant.  That's wasting picks, when you could be filling other holes with those picks.

 

It's almost as if you keep trying to convince people who want us to draft Teddy to go with your opinion instead.  Give it up. 

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It's almost as if you keep trying to convince people who want us to draft Teddy to go with your opinion instead.  Give it up. 

 

You mean like he does in every single thread that he posts in?

This makes no sense. Don't draft a qb at 1, trade back and get multiple first rounders, take a qb with those picks and 1. Hope one we like falls to our pick ( wherever that may be).


Just get your qb and keep your picks.

#1. The topic isn't just about your hypothetical.  The topic title states "What would it take for you to trade the #1 pick".  The fact that you have no idea where that 1st rounder will be the next year is very relevant.  It seems you didn't like the answers, so you tried changing the parameters

 

#2. Nobody is saying that Bridgewater is the only QB in 2014/15.  But he appears to be the best.  And you say "You don't have faith that they could get a franchise QB with these picks?!"  but you don't have faith that they can build the team without them?

 

#3. People want Teddy because he represents less risk.  In 2011 do you take Cam Newton or trade down and pick Christian Ponder or Blaine Gabbert?  Not every class has a QB that's going to be franchise material.  Look at Sam Bradford.  That 2010 draft had nothing but dud's.  And 2011's doesn't appear a whole lot better.  Nor does 2013's.  It's a risk.  

Quote:You cant tell people where the discussion goes.  Its a topic and its not up to you put parameters.

 

With that said, if you can get an offer similar to the Saints and not fall out of the top 5 in the 2014 draft, you would be crazy not to take it.

 

The original post is based on the Saints trade. That particular comes in and says he doesn't like comparing it to the Saints trade because that isn't realistic. If he doesn't like comparing it to the Saints trade, he shouldn't be hijacking a thread where the original post is comparing to the Saints trade.

 

You follow?

Quote:The original post is based on the Saints trade. That particular comes in and says he doesn't like comparing it to the Saints trade because that isn't realistic. If he doesn't like comparing it to the Saints trade, he shouldn't be hijacking a thread where the original post is comparing to the Saints trade.

 

You follow?

 

No, you are the only one following that logic.  Please see previous posts.

Here, I'll help you.

 

Yes or no, does the entire OP revolve around the Saints trade? Yes.

Yes or no, does the poster come in and say it's impossible to use the Saints trade as a comparison model? Yes.

 

Follow?