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Quote:More like 3, considering 2 of those points were scored on special teams :/

Good catch.

From espn.com NFL Power Rankings:  

 

The Bears' defense has three touchdowns this year, as many as the Buccaneers and Jaguars' offenses. Chicago's defense has scored on 1.6 percent of snaps, higher than Jacksonville's offense.

 

 

Oh, this is rich.  

Quote:The Packers were not going against the 2nd string in those games.

 

If you think any team has sent their 2nd stringers out after halftime against us, then you are delusional. Try watching the game next time.

 

The Jaguars 1st touchdown vs. Seattle came at the 06:31 mark in the 3rd quarter. Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch were still in for the Seahawks offense, and the Seahawks entire starting defense was still on the field.

 

The majority of the Seahawks starting defense was on the field on the Jaguars 2nd touchdown, too. But since there were 2nd stringers, sure, negate it. However, the MJD touchdown should definitely count if you are discussing offensive PPG. The Seahawks were still playing, at that point.

Quote:If you think any team has sent their 2nd stringers out after halftime against us, then you are delusional. Try watching the game next time.

 

The Jaguars 1st touchdown vs. Seattle came at the 06:31 mark in the 3rd quarter. Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch were still in for the Seahawks offense, and the Seahawks entire starting defense was still on the field.

 

The majority of the Seahawks starting defense was on the field on the Jaguars 2nd touchdown, too. But since there were 2nd stringers, sure, negate it. However, the MJD touchdown should definitely count if you are discussing offensive PPG. The Seahawks were still playing, at that point.

 

they were playing more cover 2 and bend not break defense. it was clear that the players who were in the game were keeping the play in front of them.

Quote:they were playing more cover 2 and bend not break defense. it was clear that the players who were in the game were keeping the play in front of them.

 

On MJD's touchdown? Lol, no.

My point is, at LEAST the 3rd quarter points should be included.

ouch

Quote:If you think any team has sent their 2nd stringers out after halftime against us, then you are delusional. Try watching the game next time.

 

The Jaguars 1st touchdown vs. Seattle came at the 06:31 mark in the 3rd quarter. Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch were still in for the Seahawks offense, and the Seahawks entire starting defense was still on the field.

 

The majority of the Seahawks starting defense was on the field on the Jaguars 2nd touchdown, too. But since there were 2nd stringers, sure, negate it. However, the MJD touchdown should definitely count if you are discussing offensive PPG. The Seahawks were still playing, at that point.

 

 

Actually its not that easy. Defenses relax. They let their guard down. They don't play with the same intensity that they have in the first half. 

This thread topic is interesting. And to think this comparison doesn't even take into account all of the rule changes that have taken place since 1976 to benefit the offense. The fact that the numbers are even roughly comparable given the offensive rule changes to increase scoring, is a real indictment against the 2013 Jaguars offense.

Quote:This thread topic is interesting. And to think this comparison doesn't even take into account all of the rule changes that have taken place since 1976 to benefit the offense. The fact that the numbers are even roughly comparable given the offensive rule changes to increase scoring, is a real indictment against the 2013 Jaguars offense.

 

Do you realize how miniscule the increase in scoring has been?

Quote:Do you realize how miniscule the increase in scoring has been?

 

 

Um... the increase in scoring and offensive statistics from 1976 to 2013 is dramatic. And rule changes are a a part of the big reason why. It's easier to score points, gain yards and move the ball now than in any other time in NFL history.

This is a passing league.  That's why we've stuck to a run-first offense and have been so absolutely horrid the past decade.

Quote:Um... the increase in scoring and offensive statistics from 1976 to 2013 is dramatic. And rule changes are a a part of the big reason why. It's easier to score points, gain yards and move the ball now than in any other time in NFL history.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ye...coring.htm

 

An increase from 19.2 to 22.6 points over a 36 years span does not seem too dramatic to me, and there are many factors that go into this. It doesn't all come down to rule changes.

 

One factor, for example, is that there is more glory playing the offensive side of the ball. Growing up playing Madden, kids create themselves as QBs, RBs, and WRs. The best athletes, more than ever, are wanting to play on the offensive side of the ball.

 

Rule changes have definitely given offenses a bigger advantage than they've had, but "dramatic" is not the word I'd use. Again, 19.2ppg to 22.6ppg is not dramatic.

Everyone seems to have something to say about the QB's .      How about this:

 

Our QB is under constant pressure ... and spends a lot of time running for his life or with the opposing teams linemen in his face.

 

Our "pocket" is consistently collapsing ... our receivers drop passes and run bad routes AND our defense can't stop anybody and the "penalties" are killing anything we get going ...........  What difference does it make who the quarterback is?  Football is a TEAM game.   Does anybody think we would have a winning record with _____________________ at Quarterback?  Write a name in ... knock yourself out.   When I see a competitive team in the NFL,  I see a defense that can get some stops.  I see an offensive line that can consistently protect their Quarterback.  I see receivers that get open and catch balls thrown to them.  I'm a Jaguars fan and I love this team but, we are a long way away from competing in the NFL and until we can give our QB's adequate time, catch the ball, and stop somebody, we not going anywhere.   I think we need to get off the QB critiques.  For what it's worth, I think our QB situation is just fine ... I love Tim Tebow but, really ... he is not the answer.   no Quarterback is.   Would you like to have Peyton Manning or Aaron Rogers?  How many passes do you think they would complete with their backside on the ground and 3 defensive linemen laying on their face?   NOT MANY.  As for the rest of our team ... we have some bright spots but that's not nearly enough.  We need a dependable OFFENSIVE LINE that can open holes and protect the Quarterback.  We need some strong runners in the backfield that can get some yardage on the ground & dependable receivers.  We need a dependable DEFENSIVE LINE and DB's that can cover people and make some plays.  THERE ... that's all we need.  It does not help anything to constantly bash the Quarterbacks.

Quote:Everyone seems to have something to say about the QB's .      How about this ........

 

If our QB is under constant pressure ... and spends a lot of time running for his life or with the opposing teams linemen in his face.

 

Our "pocket" is consistently collapsing ... our receivers drop passes and run bad routes AND our defense can't stop anybody and the "penalties" are killing anything we get going ...........  What difference does it make who the quarterback is?  Football is a TEAM game.   Does anybody think we would have a winning record with _____________________ at Quarterback?  Write a name in ... knock yourself out.   When I see a competitive team in the NFL,  I see a defense that can get some stops.  I see an offensive line that can consistently protect their Quarterback.  I see receivers that get open and catch balls thrown to them.  I'm a Jaguars fan and I love this team but, we are a long way away from competing in the NFL and until we can give our QB's adequate time, catch the ball, and stop somebody,  I think we need to get off the QB critiques.  For what it's worth, I think our

 

This is a great post. I wish it didn't randomly end.

Quote:This is a great post. I wish it didn't randomly end.

Good post but things we know already - Yes? - everyone needs to settle down, relax and enjoy this losing season- growth is all we can hope for.. Maybe next year or the year after...then we will be competitive- and I can't wait!

Quote:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ye...coring.htm

 

An increase from 19.2 to 22.6 points over a 36 years span does not seem too dramatic to me, and there are many factors that go into this. It doesn't all come down to rule changes.

 

One factor, for example, is that there is more glory playing the offensive side of the ball. Growing up playing Madden, kids create themselves as QBs, RBs, and WRs. The best athletes, more than ever, are wanting to play on the offensive side of the ball.

 

Rule changes have definitely given offenses a bigger advantage than they've had, but "dramatic" is not the word I'd use. Again, 19.2ppg to 22.6ppg is not dramatic.

 

 

I see what your saying now.

 

Your sense of scale is just off. A 3 point increase is HUGE when you are talking about the entire league. There is way more scoring today than there was in 1976.

What do you mean talking about the entire league? If the average PPG is 3.4 points higher now than it was then, should a fair comparison be something like A+3.4 compared to B?

 

I don't see why not.

3 points is massive given the amount of statistical data being covered. This is especially true if you can show that within the last decade a sharp spike occurred. For some clarity, I work with population data/stats every day.

Quote:3 points is massive given the amount of statistical data being covered. This is especially true if you can show that within the last decade a sharp spike occurred. For some clarity, I work with population data/stats every day.

 

A 17% increase over a 37 year span is not massive, no matter how you spin it. Also, there was no "sharp spike" that you refer to. Did you even look at the link I provided?

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ye...coring.htm

 

Now we aren't discussing the NFL as a whole. We are discussing 1 team and how many points they are scoring. We are comparing the Jaguars POINTS PER GAME to teams of the past POINTS PER GAME. To account for offensive inflation, it would be more accurate to compare the PPGs in a ratio.

1976 Buccs PPG : 1976 league average PPG

2013 Jaguars PPG : 2013 league average PPG

 

I, too, have a background dealing with statistics. That really doesn't matter, though, this is a pretty simplistic set of data.