11-22-2016, 01:53 PM
11-22-2016, 02:26 PM
The NCAA should focus their punishment on those responsible for the infractions, including coaches. Not the innocent players and the fans that support NCAA teams.
11-22-2016, 03:29 PM
Quote:The NCAA should focus their punishment on those responsible for the infractions, including coaches. Not the innocent players and the fans that support NCAA teams.
While I agree with your take in principle, I'm not certain it really applies here given the fact that they are taking away wins from the 2012 & 2013 seasons.
The way I look at it right now, the only people being impacted are the University (which it should for not preventing such infractions) and Brian Kelly, whose market value continues to spiral downward.
11-22-2016, 08:31 PM
To be honest, forcing teams to "vacate" wins just makes all time records and other metrics for W/L meaningless. I believe there was a game Ohio State won against Penn State. Which the NCAA forced them to vacate due to the Terrelle Pryor scandal, and then later Penn State's entire season's W's were vacated because of the Paterno/Sandusky scandal.... so no one won the game according the record books...
As Reggie Bush once said, they can take away the trophy and vacate the wins, but i'm pretty sure I still have a championship ring and a videotape of us beating another team and theres nothing they can really do to change that
As Reggie Bush once said, they can take away the trophy and vacate the wins, but i'm pretty sure I still have a championship ring and a videotape of us beating another team and theres nothing they can really do to change that
11-22-2016, 10:51 PM
Quote:While I agree with your take in principle, I'm not certain it really applies here given the fact that they are taking away wins from the 2012 & 2013 seasons.
The way I look at it right now, the only people being impacted are the University (which it should for not preventing such infractions) and Brian Kelly, whose market value continues to spiral downward.
I know where you are coming from. But my guess is for many, many players and fans looking back at games and seasons, removing wins from the record book diminishes the accomplishments of winning those games. It also reduces the credibility of the NCAA Football record book. I have no sympathy for those responsible for what led to the penalty. However, those are the people that should pay the price. When something like this happens, I'm thankful that I don't have a strong rooting interest in any college team or program. Yet, I feel for the good people that are adversely affected by something that's totally out of their control.
11-23-2016, 12:31 PM
Who cares... old wins mean nothing. Nobody remembers games being vacated... they only remember their team whooping the other guy.
11-23-2016, 01:51 PM
So, if FSU had to vacate their wins from last year (including a 27-2 win vs UF) does that give Vernon Hargreaves bragging rights over Jalen Ramsey.
VH would be like .... we beat you Jalen !!!
VH would be like .... we beat you Jalen !!!
11-30-2016, 10:11 PM
Who cares... old wins mean nothing. Nobody remembers games being vacated... they only remember their team whooping the other guy.
Nonsense. Suppose a team played in the Final Four and had its entire playoff season wiped out because its AD illegally fired the HC years later. Ohio State men's basketball fans will always remember the great 1999 season was wiped out by the NCAA because that year had to be removed from a Big Ten championship banner at St. John's Arena. The same thing can happen to a college football team that reached the playoffs. Notre Dame fans are lucky they don't have to see an excellent season removed from the record books.
Nonsense. Suppose a team played in the Final Four and had its entire playoff season wiped out because its AD illegally fired the HC years later. Ohio State men's basketball fans will always remember the great 1999 season was wiped out by the NCAA because that year had to be removed from a Big Ten championship banner at St. John's Arena. The same thing can happen to a college football team that reached the playoffs. Notre Dame fans are lucky they don't have to see an excellent season removed from the record books.
12-01-2016, 03:33 PM
This is pretty sweet for Michigan.
12-01-2016, 03:51 PM
Quote:This is pretty sweet for Michigan.
How so? It does not matter to Michigan what happens to Notre Dame's program.
12-01-2016, 03:54 PM
Quote:How so? It does not matter to Michigan what happens to Notre Dame's program.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NC...ms_by_wins
12-04-2016, 07:40 PM
Quote:<a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_football_teams_by_wins'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_football_teams_by_wins</a>
Exactly this. Coach's wins, school's wins, long-standing rivalry stats. Plus I despise ND.
12-04-2016, 07:51 PM
Quote:Exactly this. Coach's wins, school's wins, long-standing rivalry stats. Plus I despise ND.
I also hate Notre Shame.