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(06-07-2017, 01:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2017, 11:32 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Those 3 guys killed 7 people and injured 48, 21 of whom are critically injured.

I guess they aren't a threat, huh?

Statistically speaking, no, not a real big threat at all.

Statistics are impersonal.

Not sure why a Florida National Guardsman is being deployed to the UK, but that's probably another topic.

(06-07-2017, 01:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2017, 11:32 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Those 3 guys killed 7 people and injured 48, 21 of whom are critically injured.

I guess they aren't a threat, huh?

Statistically speaking, no, not a real big threat at all.

Not a threat or not a big threat? 48 people were injured. In what world is that statistically insignificant?

Was the May 22 Ariana Grande concert bombing not a threat, too?

(06-07-2017, 09:12 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure why a Florida National Guardsman is being deployed to the UK, but that's probably another topic.

No kidding. In reality the NG are for stateside issues, reserves are for overseas but since the politicians were too [BLEEP] to enact the draft for the global war on terror they now send everyone except the Coast Guard.

(06-07-2017, 02:33 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-07-2017, 09:12 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure why a Florida National Guardsman is being deployed to the UK, but that's probably another topic.

No kidding. In reality the NG are for stateside issues, reserves are for overseas but since the politicians were too [BAD WORD REMOVED] to enact the draft for the global war on terror they now send everyone except the Coast Guard.

The National Guard was Federalized under Nixon I believe, they are no long under state control

(06-07-2017, 11:47 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-07-2017, 01:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Statistically speaking, no, not a real big threat at all.

Not a threat or not a big threat? 48 people were injured. In what world is that statistically insignificant?

Was the May 22 Ariana Grande concert bombing not a threat, too?

Compared to all the other unexpected and unpleasant ways people die, no, it's not even a statistical blip.  

As far as things to worry about, the federal budget deficit and North Korea worry me.  Terrorism, not at all.

So would you say the same thing about (say) blacks being killed by racist cops? Just a statistical blip not worth worrying about?

(06-09-2017, 08:49 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]So would you say the same thing about (say) blacks being killed by racist cops? Just a statistical blip not worth worrying about?

That's a pretty good question. I see the point you are trying to make, and after a few minutes of thought, I'd have to say that I'd put it at about the same level of concern.  Especially compared to North Korea developing ICBMs capable of hitting the US, or the federal government being unable to finance itself because people don't want to buy the debt any more.  Those are looming disasters.  Terrorism is a problem, and if you think the cops are racist, that's a problem, but those are cockroaches compared to the monsters that are the federal debt and North Korea.

Terrorists don't kill that many people, and your chances of encountering a terrorist during your lifetime are minuscule. That puts terrorism way down my list of things to worry about, if I wanted to worry about something.

And as for the racist cops question, I'm not sure I totally buy the idea that there are that many racist cops. I'm listening with an open mind, but even with the documented instances we've had lately, I'm not sure of the total reality of the situation.

Okay, short answer: yes. We have much much bigger problems elsewhere.

(06-09-2017, 03:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-07-2017, 11:47 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Not a threat or not a big threat? 48 people were injured. In what world is that statistically insignificant?

Was the May 22 Ariana Grande concert bombing not a threat, too?

Compared to all the other unexpected and unpleasant ways people die, no, it's not even a statistical blip.  

As far as things to worry about, the federal budget deficit and North Korea worry me.  Terrorism, not at all.

(06-09-2017, 09:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-09-2017, 08:49 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]So would you say the same thing about (say) blacks being killed by racist cops? Just a statistical blip not worth worrying about?

That's a pretty good question.   I see the point you are trying to make, and after a few minutes of thought, I'd have to say that I'd put it at about the same level of concern.  Especially compared to North Korea developing ICBMs capable of hitting the US, or the federal government being unable to finance itself because people don't want to buy the debt any more.  Those are looming disasters.  Terrorism is a problem, and if you think the cops are racist, that's a problem, but those are cockroaches compared to the monsters that are the federal debt and North Korea.

Terrorists don't kill that many people, and your chances of encountering a terrorist during your lifetime are minuscule.  That puts terrorism way down my list of things to worry about, if I wanted to worry about something.  

And as for the racist cops question, I'm not sure I totally buy the idea that there are that many racist cops.   I'm listening with an open mind, but even with the documented instances we've had lately, I'm not sure of the total reality of the situation.

Okay, short answer: yes.   We have much much bigger problems elsewhere.

Fair enough. I believe I'm personally more likely to be harmed by ramifications of the debt than by terrorism. North Korea not so much, their nuke development has been laughable, and I have confidence in the US ballistic missile defense.

But that doesn't mean the we shouldn't at least do the cheap and easy things to reduce the terrorism risk, starting with a travel ban from countries harboring terrorists.

Terrorism is the trickle that floods over time.

The forces behind the first world wars are the same behind today's terrorism.

It's the problem that, if put off until "later," becomes something that simply cannot be overcome "later," when in fact it is too late to act.

Irony is, that's precisely the excuse some on the left are already making to ignore it.  Already here... too late... homegrown... yadda, yadda, [insert deflection here.]

The difference between left and right isn't identifying issues.  It's prioritizing issues.

But don't tell the left that... they think it's their way or the highway, and will attempt to destroy any honest discussion.

The right doesn't pretend the world will end in order to oversell an issue that doesn't deserve the priority the left wants to give them.  For example, I'm not sure there isn't a cause that "man made" climate change has been been blamed for.  When in truth, the planet's health isn't impacted a single iota by the nonsense "accord" the US senate never approved the US to be a part of.

This is why the left loves to put more important issues like terrorism and the advance of murderous radicalism back burner (see posts above) to issues of much lesser importance.  We already lead in clean air and water initiatives, and the rest of the world should follow our lead.

Same should be the same regarding national security.  We need to follow our own lead, blaze the path, and be the model for others to follow.

This is slightly related to the topic of the thread. I didn't want to start another one.

These Sharia law protests: Stupidest. Thing. Ever. Do we really have this many people in our country who have nothing better to do? Not only is it pointless, it gives ammunition to every label thrower out there.

(06-10-2017, 04:24 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]This is slightly related to the topic of the thread. I didn't want to start another one.

These Sharia law protests: Stupidest. Thing. Ever.  Do we really have this many people in our country who have nothing better to do? Not only is it pointless, it gives ammunition to every label thrower out there.

 People who advocate for an ideology that will subjugate them and deprive them of the right to advocate. You can't find a stupider concept in all the universe.

(06-10-2017, 05:55 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-10-2017, 04:24 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]This is slightly related to the topic of the thread. I didn't want to start another one.

These Sharia law protests: Stupidest. Thing. Ever.  Do we really have this many people in our country who have nothing better to do? Not only is it pointless, it gives ammunition to every label thrower out there.

 People who advocate for an ideology that will subjugate them and deprive them of the right to advocate. You can't find a stupider concept in all the universe.

I could understand protests in Europe. But here? American Muslims be like, "Yeah, dawg, it's law based on what that chick Sharia wants." Yes, I understate because the sharia law problem here is non-existent.

(06-10-2017, 06:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-10-2017, 05:55 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] People who advocate for an ideology that will subjugate them and deprive them of the right to advocate. You can't find a stupider concept in all the universe.

I could understand protests in Europe. But here? American Muslims be like, "Yeah, dawg, it's law based on what that chick Sharia wants." Yes, I understate because the sharia law problem here is non-existent.

Exactly correct that there is pretty much no chance in hell that Sharia Law can be adopted in the United States.  Because of this thing we call the Constitution. And also because we live in a democracy.

(06-11-2017, 10:22 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-10-2017, 06:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I could understand protests in Europe. But here? American Muslims be like, "Yeah, dawg, it's law based on what that chick Sharia wants." Yes, I understate because the sharia law problem here is non-existent.

Exactly correct that there is pretty much no chance in hell that Sharia Law can be adopted in the United States.  Because of this thing we call the Constitution.  And also because we live in a democracy.

True, but the bigger concern is that a large percentage of Muslims consider Sharia preferable to Western customs and laws. And there are enclaves in the US where Sharia punishments are meted out to women who stray from "acceptable" practices.