(06-11-2017, 02:32 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2017, 01:58 PM)Kotite Wrote: [ -> ]Good God.. In order for Marrone to be worse than Bradley, it would mean we had back-to-back the worst head coaches in league history.
I think I have thrown up enough watching this team the last few years. There is nothing left to throw up. I would just be wretching up bile if we were worse.
We may have already had this with Gus following Mularkey.
The hate Mularkey gets on this board in confounding. He was a lame duck coach in a no win situation with no talent team. Shula in his greatest day would have failed in that scenario. If memory serves me correct he holds a 4 and 1 record against us.
(06-11-2017, 09:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2017, 09:36 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Noteworthy items from Lindy's...
WR-Allen Robinson does not rank among the top 15 #1 WRs, nor does Hurns rank among the top 15 #2 WRs. However, Marqise Lee is rated as the 5th best #3 WR.
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Lindy's ranks Dante Fowler...yes him,,,as the 10th best 4-3 LDE, but strangely, they rank Calais Campbell as the best right side 4-3 DE. J.J. Watt and Jadeveon Clowney rank 1-2 among 3-4 DEs, and the Texans rank as the best DL in the AFC.
Poz makes the top 10 4-3 Sams, while Telvin Smith is unranked among the 4-3 wills. Myles Jack, despite playing very little last year, made 10th best 4-3 Mike.
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Under the heading of "Numero Uno CBs, A.J. Bouye ranks as the 13th overall CB, while Jalen Ramsey ranks as the 7th best #2 CB.
The above bits just reek of poor research by the analyst.
The glaring inaccuracies to me include:
- In the most conventional sense, Lee was the #2 WR in 2016, not the #3. Seems very odd to list him there.
- Snubbing Telvin in the 4-3 WLB category is a head-scratcher. Are there 10 weak side LBs playing in a 4-3 in the NFL that are better than Telvin?
- The DL stuff definitely means someone didn't do his homework.
- Ramsey listed as a #2 is comically inaccurate.
The only way I remotely disagree with you is the Lee analysis. Had Hurns not been injured, Lee still would be considered the #3 WR, although Lee performed well as the #2.
Listing Ramsey as a #2 was laughable, as was the DL stuff.
(06-11-2017, 08:14 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2017, 09:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]...
- In the most conventional sense, Lee was the #2 WR in 2016, not the #3. Seems very odd to list him there.
The only way I remotely disagree with you is the Lee analysis. Had Hurns not been injured, Lee still would be considered the #3 WR, although Lee performed well as the #2.
Listing Ramsey as a #2 was laughable, as was the DL stuff.
The only thing that makes that a bit nebulous is that Lee was getting the lion's share of the outside snaps over Hurns before Hurns was injured and Hurns was playing much more from the slot than he was playing outside.
This is why I used the phrase "in the most conventional sense." Because Lee was being used in 2 receiver sets outside as often (probably more often) than Hurns before the injury -- and when they had three receivers on the field it was usually Hurns playing the slot. "Conventionally" your slot guy is the #3 even though it's not a hard and fast rule.
EDIT for Correction: After going back and looking at snap counts, Lee and Hurns were splitting the outside #2 snaps pretty evenly prior to Hurns' injury.
Street & Smiths and Pro Football Weekly also predicted the Jaguars to finish 4th in the south.
Street & Smith's predicted Leonard Fournette to be offensive rookie of the year.
PFW listed Ramsey as the 16th best CB. I don't know what kind of criteria they were using, because even as a rookie, there is NO WAY Ramsey was as low as 16th overall.
(06-25-2017, 03:35 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Street & Smiths and Pro Football Weekly also predicted the Jaguars to finish 4th in the south.
Street & Smith's predicted Leonard Fournette to be offensive rookie of the year.
PFW listed Ramsey as the 16th best CB. I don't know what kind of criteria they were using, because even as a rookie, there is NO WAY Ramsey was as low as 16th overall.
If they project Fournette to be rookie of the year and the Jaguars to be 4th in the division are they projecting every team to finish .500 or better? I can't see the Jagaurs not getting to at least 8 wins if Fournette is good enough to win RoTY playing on a team that no one likes.
(06-25-2017, 04:59 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (06-25-2017, 03:35 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Street & Smiths and Pro Football Weekly also predicted the Jaguars to finish 4th in the south.
Street & Smith's predicted Leonard Fournette to be offensive rookie of the year.
PFW listed Ramsey as the 16th best CB. I don't know what kind of criteria they were using, because even as a rookie, there is NO WAY Ramsey was as low as 16th overall.
If they project Fournette to be rookie of the year and the Jaguars to be 4th in the division are they projecting every team to finish .500 or better? I can't see the Jagaurs not getting to at least 8 wins if Fournette is good enough to win RoTY playing on a team that no one likes.
I was thinking the same thing.
Fournette would have to rush for 1500 yards and double digit TDs to win rookie of the year.
I don't see how this Jaguars team finishes below .500 with those numbers from Fournette.
(06-25-2017, 05:02 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (06-25-2017, 04:59 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]If they project Fournette to be rookie of the year and the Jaguars to be 4th in the division are they projecting every team to finish .500 or better? I can't see the Jagaurs not getting to at least 8 wins if Fournette is good enough to win RoTY playing on a team that no one likes.
I was thinking the same thing.
Fournette would have to rush for 1500 yards and double digit TDs to win rookie of the year.
I don't see how this Jaguars team finishes below .500 with those numbers from Fournette.
Frankly, if he gets those numbers and the defense is middle of the league in scoring the Jaguars should win the division.
1500 yards and double digit TDs means that either Bortles is playing well enough for the defense to not be able to just stack against the run, or Fournette is so dominant that it doesn't matter. Either way if he gets that kind of performance I'm thinking 10+ wins, and the division should be the Jaguars easily with 10+ wins.
Anyone thinking the Jaguars are 4th in the division is essentially betting that Fournette isn't special or that the rest of the team implodes in spite of him. Since they're saying he'll be special and I think the defense will be good enough to win their scenario would have the Jaguars first in the division, not last, mainly because I think Marrone and the offensive coaching staff have shown they can manage Bortles well enough.
(06-25-2017, 05:08 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (06-25-2017, 05:02 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking the same thing.
Fournette would have to rush for 1500 yards and double digit TDs to win rookie of the year.
I don't see how this Jaguars team finishes below .500 with those numbers from Fournette.
Frankly, if he gets those numbers and the defense is middle of the league in scoring the Jaguars should win the division.
1500 yards and double digit TDs means that either Bortles is playing well enough for the defense to not be able to just stack against the run, or Fournette is so dominant that it doesn't matter. Either way if he gets that kind of performance I'm thinking 10+ wins, and the division should be the Jaguars easily with 10+ wins.
Anyone thinking the Jaguars are 4th in the division is essentially betting that Fournette isn't special or that the rest of the team implodes in spite of him. Since they're saying he'll be special and I think the defense will be good enough to win their scenario would have the Jaguars first in the division, not last, mainly because I think Marrone and the offensive coaching staff have shown they can manage Bortles well enough.
I can't think of too many instances where a RB had 1500 yards and double digit TDs and played on a losing team. I remember Herschel Walker rushed for 1500 yards on a Dallas team that finished 3-13 in 1988, but he had a combined 7 TDs that year, and that defense was nowhere close to what the Jaguars have.
Gerald Riggs had a 1700 yard season and scored 10 TDs on a 1985 Falcons team that won 4 games. But they had David freaking Archer at QB. Whatever faults Bortles has, he's much better than Archer.
Our own MJD rushed for 1600 yards and had a combined 11 TDs in 2011. But anyone following this team now vs then could tell you there is no contest in comparative talent.
(06-25-2017, 05:24 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (06-25-2017, 05:08 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Frankly, if he gets those numbers and the defense is middle of the league in scoring the Jaguars should win the division.
1500 yards and double digit TDs means that either Bortles is playing well enough for the defense to not be able to just stack against the run, or Fournette is so dominant that it doesn't matter. Either way if he gets that kind of performance I'm thinking 10+ wins, and the division should be the Jaguars easily with 10+ wins.
Anyone thinking the Jaguars are 4th in the division is essentially betting that Fournette isn't special or that the rest of the team implodes in spite of him. Since they're saying he'll be special and I think the defense will be good enough to win their scenario would have the Jaguars first in the division, not last, mainly because I think Marrone and the offensive coaching staff have shown they can manage Bortles well enough.
I can't think of too many instances where a RB had 1500 yards and double digit TDs and played on a losing team. I remember Herschel Walker rushed for 1500 yards on a Dallas team that finished 3-13 in 1988, but he had a combined 7 TDs that year, and that defense was nowhere close to what the Jaguars have.
Gerald Riggs had a 1700 yard season and scored 10 TDs on a 1985 Falcons team that won 4 games. But they had David freaking Archer at QB. Whatever faults Bortles has, he's much better than Archer.
Our own MJD rushed for 1600 yards and had a combined 11 TDs in 2011. But anyone following this team now vs then could tell you there is no contest in comparative talent.
Right, it's not that RBs haven't had great seasons on bad teams, but on THIS team against THIS schedule in THIS division, if Fournette has a special performance and everyone else plays just decently, (Bortles won't need to throw 35 TDs for the team to have a shot, and regression toward the mean says that Bortles should not have the kind of back luck he had on tipped INTs he had in 2016) which is in reach for this roster, then the team should exceed 4th place expectations.
If the Jaguars were playing against the NFC east of the early 90s then just a great season from Fournette might not get us much, but the Jaguars team has a lot of talent, and the schedule doesn't appear to be a murderers row.
I like this ranking stuff. Good for dead zone.