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BBINT will be here next year..  Throwing pick sixes.

Quote:TL;DR - The cost of BBINT's 3rd over all pick should not hinder the Front Office from finding his replacement this off season.

 

I agree. With rookie wages the way they are now, Caldwell could bounce back and effectively get a chance to right the HC/QB ship.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Khan goes complete clean slate though.

I honestly think we can rule out DC drafting a QB in round 1 to replace Bortles.

Who starts will be on the new coach. And I don't think DC is going to handcuff himself to Bortles in a prove-it year.

 

Allen will get a shot and a Vet will be brought in, I'd guess.

But a vet like...Mike Glennon

 

maybe he makes a trade for a guy like McCarron (who from what I've heard Cincy doesn't want to trade.)

but I doubt he brings in a supplant like Romo who is guaranteed to start essentially making Bortles a lame-duck backup.

 

 

The wildcard is if we end up with a new GM.

All bets are off.

With the new way things are structured missing wildly on a QB in the first round is no longer the franchise nuke it used to be

Quote:I honestly think we can rule out DC drafting a QB in round 1 to replace Bortles.

Who starts will be on the new coach. And I don't think DC is going to handcuff himself to Bortles in a prove-it year.

 

Allen will get a shot and a Vet will be brought in, I'd guess.

But a vet like...Mike Glennon

 

 

 

  It's going to be interesting to see the market for Mike Glennon's services.   On one side,  the demand for winning caliber starting QBs in the NFL is greater than the supply.   On the other side,   the struggles with Houston of highly paid UFA QB Brock Osweiler,  another very tall QB.    My gut feeling is the demand factor will win out,  with a team ending up giving out a contract similar to what the Texans did with Osweiler.

Quote:With the new way things are structured missing wildly on a QB in the first round is no longer the franchise nuke it used to be

 

  True.   Yet,  it's still a lost opportunity cost,  both in the seasons invested in a 1st Round QB and the player ( s ) passed up because of drafting the QB. 

Quote:  It's going to be interesting to see the market for Mike Glennon's services.   On one side,  the demand for winning caliber starting QBs in the NFL is greater than the supply.   On the other side,   the struggles with Houston of highly paid UFA QB Brock Osweiler,  another very tall QB.    My gut feeling is the demand factor will win out,  with a team ending up giving out a contract similar to what the Texans did with Osweiler.

For Glennon?

 

Gross... I wouldn't pay him anywhere near Osweiler money...

 

Who is going to give Glennon that?

He hasn't started in a couple seasons and when he did he wasn't fantastic.

 

I know he'll garner a contract with someone with a "shot" at starting but I don't see that guy getting sure-fire starter money.

 

Brocky-poo somehow fleeced the tinhorns with 7 games of average at best QB play on a SB bound team. And I don't care what anyone says... that HAS to scare teams off from mini-resumes.

Glennon's is more dated and probably less successful.

Issue is we are going to have a top 5 pick again this year. There is no QB in this draft worth a top 5 pick IMO so unless we trade down we would just be wasting another pick tbh

Quote:For Glennon?

 

Gross... I wouldn't pay him anywhere near Osweiler money...

 

Who is going to give Glennon that?

He hasn't started in a couple seasons and when he did he wasn't fantastic.

 

I know he'll garner a contract with someone with a "shot" at starting but I don't see that guy getting sure-fire starter money.

 

Brocky-poo somehow fleeced the tinhorns with 7 games of average at best QB play on a SB bound team. And I don't care what anyone says... that HAS to scare teams off from mini-resumes.

Glennon's is more dated and probably less successful.

 

   The 49ers and Jets come to mind as two teams that could give Mike Glennon that type of contract.   In the case of the 49ers,  it probably won't happen with Chip Kelly as their HC but he could easily be one and done in SF.    In the case of the Jets,  owner Woody Johnson could force the action.  

 

    It gets back to what are the viable options for teams needing a QB?    The FA market is going to be very limited at best.   Right now,  this doesn't shape up to be one of the better QB draft classes.

 

  Though what you expressed about Mike Glennon has a great amount of validity,  all it takes is one team to open the check book.  

Quote:Issue is we are going to have a top 5 pick again this year. There is no QB in this draft worth a top 5 pick IMO so unless we trade down we would just be wasting another pick tbh

So if don't trade down or get Joe Montana it's a wasted pick, no other player at any other position could make picking in the top 5 worth it, hmmmm

Quote:So if don't trade down or get Joe Montana it's a wasted pick, no other player at any other position could make picking in the top 5 worth it, hmmmm

Im not saying that. For a QB it would be a wasted pick but if we get the BAP it would not be a wasted pick. If we used a 3rd or 4th round pick on another QB to challenge Bortles I wouldnt mind that either

<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);"> The Jacksonville Jaguars’ special teams have struggled over the past five weeks, but head coach Gus Bradley said he has not lost any confidence in special teams coordinator Mike Mallory.

<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);">"No," Bradley said when asked that question. "I don’t know what to say when a guy is unblocked and right there and misses the tackle. It’s execution.”

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<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);">This right here is why Blake isn't a sunken cost. Our coach literally has no idea what he's doing.

We don't know who the coach will be.

 

We don't really know who the GM will be.

 

We don't know what FA QB either of those guys ^ would covet. 

 

We don't know which QBs are coming out early in the draft. 

 

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While I wholeheartedly agree that Bortles' draft position should not stop the team from pursuing a better option early in the draft or with big FA dollars, there are SO MANY questions unanswered at this point.  There's just very little prediction to be made currently on the handling of the QB issue. 

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<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);"> The Jacksonville Jaguars’ special teams have struggled over the past five weeks, but head coach Gus Bradley said he has not lost any confidence in special teams coordinator Mike Mallory.

<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);">"No," Bradley said when asked that question. "I don’t know what to say when a guy is unblocked and right there and misses the tackle. It’s execution.”

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<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);">This right here is why Blake isn't a sunken cost. Our coach literally has no idea what he's doing.

 

 

Mallory should have been fired at the end of Bradley's first year, right along with Bradley.  This coaching staff is an absolute joke!

 

Could you imagine a coach of a 11 & 12 year old football team blaming the kids for losing because of poor execution?  LOL the coach is responsible for how they play!!  A team is a reflection of their coach.  The team of a good coach will look like it on the field!

Quote:Mallory should have been fired at the end of Bradley's first year, right along with Bradley.  This coaching staff is an absolute joke!

 

Could you imagine a coach of a 11 & 12 year old football team blaming the kids for losing because of poor execution?  LOL the coach is responsible for how they play!!  A team is a reflection of their coach.  The team of a good coach will look like it on the field!

Alex Smith went from an all-time bust to a playoff caliber QB all because of coaching. 

 

I'm not saying it's all coaching because Blake has missed some throws but when you have a coach who consistently says "I don't know why that happened." You have to wonder whats happening in the weekly meetings.

 

Blake: How should we attack their defense on the first couple drives?

Gus: I don't know how we should attack them.

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<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);"> The Jacksonville Jaguars’ special teams have struggled over the past five weeks, but head coach Gus Bradley said he has not lost any confidence in special teams coordinator Mike Mallory.

<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);">"No," Bradley said when asked that question. "I don’t know what to say when a guy is unblocked and right there and misses the tackle. It’s execution.”

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<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);">This right here is why Blake isn't a sunken cost. Our coach literally has no idea what he's doing.

 

 

I don't disagree with your point at all  -  though i find it a little funny that the quote above is Bradley calling out a player for lack of execution and this board is chock full of folks moaning that he never does exactly that.  :teehee:

 

Now - whether he's right to trust Mallory or not is another issue. He doesn't seem to have his unit coached up properly.  But there are players making stupid gaffs and executing poorly on all three phases right now.  It's a mess.  

Quote:I don't disagree with your point at all - though i find it a little funny that the quote above is Bradley calling out a player for lack of execution and this board is chock full of folks moaning that he never does exactly that. :teehee:


Now - whether he's right to trust Mallory or not is another issue. He doesn't seem to have his unit coached up properly. But there are players making stupid gaffs and executing poorly on all three phases right now. It's a mess.

Which is usually reflective of coaching. Unless you're in the group that thinks this team is dearth of talent?

Quote:I know, I know.. Another BBINT thread? Thanks alot, The_Anchorman, but we're all full of crazy. Go sell your junk somewhere else, and while you're at it, pound sand .


But hear me out:


Alot of people think that Caldwell is tied to BBINT and therefore we'll be stuck with him untill the end of the 2017 season at the least. However, I would hope that Caldwell is smart enough to recognize that BBINT's status with the team is a sunk cost.


A sunk cost is basically an investment in something in which the expense has already been paid. Because the expense is paid, the cost is already sunk into the overall equation and should no longer be considered when making future decisions.


Yes, we spent a 3rd over all pick on BBINT. But that does not mean we are tied to him any longer than we decide. That 3rd pick has been spent and it ain't ever coming back. But the good news is that we do not have to continue to pay further picks or any other costs for BBINT. The future direction of this team is not tied to him or his prior draft status.


I would hope that Caldwell is wise enough to recognize this. It would be smart to begin to look at alternatives to BBINT moving forward. A smart GM and a wise owner who is a billionaire business man should recognize that BBINT's costs are sunk. Moving forward, decisions at the QB position should not be tied at all to BBINT or the fact that we spend a 3rd pick on him nearly 4 years ago.


It's time to look forward and not get caught up in the past decisions in this matter. That means all options should be on the table... Drafting a QB, acquiring a FA QB, or making a trade for a QB should all be options that are looked into immediately following the end of the 2016 season. This should not wait.


Thank you for your time.


TL;DR - The cost of BBINT's 3rd over all pick should not hinder the Front Office from finding his replacement this off season.

 

Go sell your junk somewhere else, and while you're at it, pound sand .

Quote:I don't disagree with your point at all  -  though i find it a little funny that the quote above is Bradley calling out a player for lack of execution and this board is chock full of folks moaning that he never does exactly that.  :teehee:

 

Now - whether he's right to trust Mallory or not is another issue. He doesn't seem to have his unit coached up properly.  But there are players making stupid gaffs and executing poorly on all three phases right now.  It's a mess.  

This board wants him to specifically say the name, and then go on some Dennis Green style tirade.

 

The kids these days with their "reality TV" want the drama, always.

Quote:   The 49ers and Jets come to mind as two teams that could give Mike Glennon that type of contract.   In the case of the 49ers,  it probably won't happen with Chip Kelly as their HC but he could easily be one and done in SF.    In the case of the Jets,  owner Woody Johnson could force the action.  

 

    It gets back to what are the viable options for teams needing a QB?    The FA market is going to be very limited at best.   Right now,  this doesn't shape up to be one of the better QB draft classes.

 

  Though what you expressed about Mike Glennon has a great amount of validity,  all it takes is one team to open the check book.  

I assume (usually incorrectly) that the 9ers will get Watson.

I think the Broncos, Jets and Cards pursue Romo/Cutler

I think the Bears will be looking at QB in the draft and if the Jets don't get Romo/Cutler they will also be in play, but more likely a Bryce Petty/Hackenberg battle.

 

Its because of these other QB scenarios that I don't see any of these teams paying big for a Glennon type player.

But I could see a team like the Jags give him a 5mil +starting time benefits in a competition/prove-it deal.

 

Honestly, for young up and coming promise... Glennon is all there is. Maybe Geno Smith in a different situation.

Otherwise you're looking at washed up/mediocre late 20's early 30s backups.