I say GOOD! Scare them ALL back to Mexico
ICE crackdown in Pueblo scaring some families back to Mexico
President Donald Trump's crackdown on undocumented immigrants by federal agents is scaring some of those families back to Mexico, according to knowledgable sources in the Pueblo community.
http://www.chieftain.com/news/pueblo/ice...5c41e.html
I'm torn on the issue. I know some come here for work because there is none in their area, or they come because it is unsafe, and I feel for them because they're doing what they have to to survive. But they come here illegally and take advantage of our social welfare programs or whatever and well, they're here illegally.
(07-08-2017, 10:21 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm torn on the issue. I know some come here for work because there is none in their area, or they come because it is unsafe, and I feel for them because they're doing what they have to to survive. But they come here illegally and take advantage of our social welfare programs or whatever and well, they're here illegally.
I feel the same, but there's also an additional dynamic. The Mexican government will never curb corruption and defeat its drug empires if they know the U.S. will act as a safety valve for the millions who flee the resultant economic morass. Perhaps Mexico would clean up their act if forced to deal with the social and economic hardships of its population head on. I understand the issues run deeper than that, but we can't ignore enforcing our international borders simply because of humanitarian or commercially compelling reasons.
(07-08-2017, 10:21 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm torn on the issue. I know some come here for work because there is none in their area, or they come because it is unsafe, and I feel for them because they're doing what they have to to survive. But they come here illegally and take advantage of our social welfare programs or whatever and well, they're here illegally.
If I were them, and I came here because it was a better opportunity, I wouldn't let the fear of deportation cause me to willingly leave on my own. If it was a struggle to survive there, I wouldn't go back without being forced. If they're leaving without being forced, then it can't Ben too bad.
Some studies have shown that the net migration between Mexico and the US is actually negative. More Mexicans are moving from US to Mexico right now than the other way around.
(07-09-2017, 05:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Some studies have shown that the net migration between Mexico and the US is actually negative. More Mexicans are moving from US to Mexico right now than the other way around.
Yes, it's the Trump Effect.
(07-09-2017, 01:18 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-09-2017, 05:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Some studies have shown that the net migration between Mexico and the US is actually negative. More Mexicans are moving from US to Mexico right now than the other way around.
Yes, it's the Trump Effect.
So can we keep our 12 billion dollars and not build that stupid wall?
(07-10-2017, 10:15 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2017, 07:30 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So can we keep our 12 billion dollars and not build that stupid wall?
No, because Trump won't always be president.
Well, actually this reportedly reverse flow of Mexicans was being reported long before Trump declared for the Presidency.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/mo...o-the-u-s/
Actually, the fact that Trump won't always be President is probably another good reason not to build it. Who's to say the next President won't tear it down or just refuse to maintain it? The wall is a Trump policy, not a Republican policy or a Democrat policy. The next President won't have the obligation to maintain the wall because he or she won't have made it a campaign promise.
It's 12 billion dollars or more down the drain. I think it's time we just admit it, and stop supporting such a stupid idea.
Essentially, we're only on this planet for 80 years on average so I'm under the belief that eternal paradise is awaiting most of those that aren't born with the abundance of opportunities that we have here in the US.
(07-09-2017, 01:18 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-09-2017, 05:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Some studies have shown that the net migration between Mexico and the US is actually negative. More Mexicans are moving from US to Mexico right now than the other way around.
Yes, it's the Trump Effect.
The Trump effect. If you mean the continuation of production jobs in Mexican based facilities then I agree. A lot of Mexicans are coming to the realization that they can get decent jobs back home while living a traditional lifestyle back home with their families.
(07-10-2017, 10:45 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Essentially, we're only on this planet for 80 years on average so I'm under the belief that eternal paradise is awaiting most of those that aren't born with the abundance of opportunities that we have here in the US.
(07-09-2017, 01:18 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, it's the Trump Effect.
The Trump effect. If you mean the continuation of production jobs in Mexican based facilities then I agree. A lot of Mexicans are coming to the realization that they can get decent jobs back home while living a traditional lifestyle back home with their families.
Lol, sure it is. Funny how that happened just this past January. Credit where it's due, you've got good spin.