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OP is on a mission TMD style.

(07-20-2017, 11:33 AM)Monty Wrote: [ -> ]OP is on a mission TMD style.

TMD is sooooo 2014....

I like "Alfie style" better

(07-19-2017, 11:26 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]If you can only complain about 3 draft picks, out of 4 years of drafting, I'd say he's doing pretty good 

I assume you cannot comprehend the subject line which explicitly states this topic is specific to 1st round picks.

(07-20-2017, 01:28 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017, 11:26 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]If you can only complain about 3 draft picks, out of 4 years of drafting, I'd say he's doing pretty good 

I assume you cannot comprehend the subject line which explicitly states this topic is specific to 1st round picks.

I posted that before a mod changed the title of this thread to read what it currently does, but please continue to tell me how I can't comprehend things.

Caldwell drafts like a pro. Caldwell spends money on free agents in a very good way. He got picks for Gabbs and Fat Julius. He got Myles Jack in round 2. His worst offenses are The Joke and Bobblehead, and that misery will be worth it if this team comes together under the stern attitudes of the new leadership.

(07-20-2017, 10:46 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]We really do need to give Bortles and Fowler this season before we know who we have in them. If Bortles gets back to where he was late in 2015, suddenly Caldwell is a genius again. Fowler simply needs to show something this year.

As for the Joke, I can excuse Caldwell because his hands were tied. 32 out of 32 GMs would have made the same pick.

However Davis wouldn't of.  He was a speed guy. RIP

(07-20-2017, 01:52 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2017, 01:19 AM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]LT, DE, and QB are the most important positions on your team. Caldwell makes all those picks within the top 3 and might have missed on all of them. Sure, you don't want to read another Caldwell sucks thread but I don't think that's the case. He's gotten us a top 6 defense. Some of the best WR's in the NFL, the best running back to arguably come out of the draft since Adrian Peterson, etc. It just doesn't look good to miss those picks in the top 5 with the record we have.

And what about Ramsey?

Oh wait, I already know the response from Caldwell haters...


"That pick doesn't count, Ramsey fell into our laps and was the no brainer pick."

If that was the case, he wouldn't have still been there at #5. Shutdown Corners don't grow on trees.

But again, it goes back to me saying that this thread isn't needed right now. Wait till the end of the season, when we'll really know which way Bortles is going, as well as Fowler. That will give us a much better gauge on those picks than right now.

He was the no brainer pick, but the cowboys overvalue running backs so caldwell got a lob. Drafting Ramsey is not a credit to dave.

Uh,

in the world of Gm fails, I think every Gm that passed on randy moss failed, and caldwell never had that opportunity so i think we're ok.  In fact, Ramsey might be the Moss of his career considering he managed to more or less be one of the top corners in the league as a rookie

I would love to see him draft later in the rounds starting next year honestly I personally think he's a very good GM

the 2014 and 2015 first rounders are hard for me to swallow even now.

passing on Mack one year - then passing on Cooper or Williams..

(07-23-2017, 08:05 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]the 2014 and 2015 first rounders are hard for me to swallow even now.

passing on Mack one year - then passing on Cooper or Williams..

The more interesting question is are all of those guys, and maybe Dereck Carr, too, recognized as ascending young superstars if they play for the Jaguars under Sprinkles? Mack I think probably would be, but I'm not convinced that everyone wouldn't be saying the same things about Carr that most people are saying about Bortles if he played for the Jaguars behind a worse offensive line with the worst head coach of all time.

(07-23-2017, 09:35 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2017, 08:05 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]the 2014 and 2015 first rounders are hard for me to swallow even now.

passing on Mack one year - then passing on Cooper or Williams..

The more interesting question is are all of those guys, and maybe Dereck Carr, too, recognized as ascending young superstars if they play for the Jaguars under Sprinkles? Mack I think probably would be, but I'm not convinced that everyone wouldn't be saying the same things about Carr that most people are saying about Bortles if he played for the Jaguars behind a worse offensive line with the worst head coach of all time.

I think they would be.  Big time players are big time players, regardless of where they get picked.  Jalen Ramsey stepped on the field and instantly became good.  You can either play or you can not play.

Mack would be the same, as would Amari Cooper.  Leonard Williams was another guy most people thought should go in the top 5 yet we passed on him, likely because he didn't fit Gus' stupid defense.

The fact that we didn't get one of those 3 in 2 years is a big reason why we are where we are. 

You can't pass on the defensive player of the year (and probably hall of famer if he continues like this) on a guy who can't throw a football.  It's mind-boggling to me.

(07-23-2017, 12:47 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2017, 09:35 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The more interesting question is are all of those guys, and maybe Dereck Carr, too, recognized as ascending young superstars if they play for the Jaguars under Sprinkles? Mack I think probably would be, but I'm not convinced that everyone wouldn't be saying the same things about Carr that most people are saying about Bortles if he played for the Jaguars behind a worse offensive line with the worst head coach of all time.

I think they would be.  Big time players are big time players, regardless of where they get picked.  Jalen Ramsey stepped on the field and instantly became good.  You can either play or you can not play.

Mack would be the same, as would Amari Cooper.  Leonard Williams was another guy most people thought should go in the top 5 yet we passed on him, likely because he didn't fit Gus' stupid defense.

The fact that we didn't get one of those 3 in 2 years is a big reason why we are where we are. 

You can't pass on the defensive player of the year (and probably hall of famer if he continues like this) on a guy who can't throw a football.  It's mind-boggling to me.

Like I said, Mack I think probably would be recognized as great even playing for a turd like Sprinkles. It's just that Sprinkles wouldn't be able to take advantage of his talents to help the team win games, much like having an excellent corner in Ramsey didn't help the defense get off the field in third down situations under Gus and allowed teams to come back at the ends of games.

(07-23-2017, 01:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2017, 12:47 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I think they would be.  Big time players are big time players, regardless of where they get picked.  Jalen Ramsey stepped on the field and instantly became good.  You can either play or you can not play.

Mack would be the same, as would Amari Cooper.  Leonard Williams was another guy most people thought should go in the top 5 yet we passed on him, likely because he didn't fit Gus' stupid defense.

The fact that we didn't get one of those 3 in 2 years is a big reason why we are where we are. 

You can't pass on the defensive player of the year (and probably hall of famer if he continues like this) on a guy who can't throw a football.  It's mind-boggling to me.

Like I said, Mack I think probably would be recognized as great even playing for a turd like Sprinkles. It's just that Sprinkles wouldn't be able to take advantage of his talents to help the team win games, much like having an excellent corner in Ramsey didn't help the defense get off the field in third down situations under Gus and allowed teams to come back at the ends of games.

yeah gus definitely didn't help things.  I still blame Caldwell for a lot of it.  His decision to bring on Gus and his draft picks.

Bortles over Mack will forever be inexcusable. 

Looking like Fowler over Cooper/Williams will be the same story.

(07-23-2017, 01:05 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2017, 01:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said, Mack I think probably would be recognized as great even playing for a turd like Sprinkles. It's just that Sprinkles wouldn't be able to take advantage of his talents to help the team win games, much like having an excellent corner in Ramsey didn't help the defense get off the field in third down situations under Gus and allowed teams to come back at the ends of games.

yeah gus definitely didn't help things.  I still blame Caldwell for a lot of it.  His decision to bring on Gus and his draft picks.

Bortles over Mack will forever be inexcusable. 

Looking like Fowler over Cooper/Williams will be the same story.

Fowler was clearly a dud pick from the beginning, and it's what usually happens when teams put positional need ahead of talent when drafting. What's worse is Fowler wasn't even a guy that really played defensive end in college. He was mostly a stand up player.

Fowler's attitude when it comes to respecting the rules is just the sewage icing on the crap cake. Even if he were a Brunell level choir boy he'd still be a terrible pick.

I don't like the Fournette pick, but at least Fournette was actually successful at his position in college.

Caldwell sucks this is like saying water is wet. He isn't even the real GM anymore Tom Coughlin is his daddy.

Whatever.. What will be, will be.. Nothing I can say or do will change the situation.. I'm just along for the ride..

There are good arguments to be made both for and against Caldwell. However, his future here likely hinges on Bortles' play this season. If Bortles pans out, Caldwell has probably done enough other good things with the roster to be retained. If Bortles continues handing games away and it's clear we're playing for draft position in 2018 then I think Caldwell will be shown the door at season's end. If we're drafting in the top 10 again next year I can't imagine how Caldwell would still be here unless we were to acquire someone else's top 10 pick through trade.

I'm not sold on the whole "Dave Caldwell job in jeopardy" thing.  Yes he's made some picks that didn't pan out (including the Head Coach hire), but he's also done a decent job of rebuilding the roster.

We can look at draft picks in hindsight all we want, but no General Manager has been "perfect", especially with first round picks.

Also, the idea that he was "demoted" with the hire of Tom Coughlin is very much wrong.  While Coughlin might have the final say regarding football operations, I don't see him as a "micro-manager" and he certainly doesn't "do Dave Caldwell's job" as many people seem to think just like he doesn't "do Doug Marone's job".

In the end, just take a look at his additions to the team vs. his subtractions to draw a conclusion.  That not only includes draft picks, but also free agency.  The bottom line is that he's done a pretty good job.

(07-23-2017, 01:52 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell sucks this is like saying water is wet.  He isn't even the real GM anymore Tom Coughlin is his daddy.

My man why you have to be so negative and please do us a favor and root for another team so we don't have to hear from you anymore.