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Quote:Hell Eli threw like 27 INTs his 9th year in the league

Damn fine point sir

Quote:Hell Eli threw like 27 INTs his 9th year in the league

Eli also didn`t touch a completion percentage of 60 until his 5th year in the league and it was right at 60.

 

I`ve said it before but Farve had 51 INTs and was a INT machine his whole career and won a Super Bowl.

 

Payton Manning threw 58 INTs in his first 3 seasons, Big Ben threw 43 and didn`t have the TD numbers Blake does.

 

The pick-sixes and accuracy issues need to be fixed but as stated above that`s not impossible to do.

Quote:When ppl say he did so good in 2015 and regressed in 2016, I just dont see it that way.

You may not see it that way. But it happened nonetheless.


His footwork and throwing motion weren't great in 2015, but they were much, much worse in 2016. - and his accuracy took a big downturn as a result.

Quote:Yes because of the softer defenses we were able to score.

 

 

 

 

 

It is just an observation as to how the games were played.

 

 

 

 

When ppl say he did so good in 2015 and regressed in 2016, I just dont see it that way.

 

 

 

The problem is you got it backwards.


 

In 2015 the Jaguars were very competitive playing most games close to the vest with very little garbage time. In fact the defense in 2015 kept letting the Jaguars down forcing the Jaguars to play shoot outs for the most part. The Jaguars offense was consistently up to the task leaving even the most stout fourth quarter defenses on their hills.


 

In 2016 there seemed to be a few issues with Bortles starting with bad mechanics and ending with arm injury and fatigue. The result was teams winning more soundly and we started seeing a lot of garbage time. The Jaguars managed a modicum of success in 2016 because of that garbage time.

Wow a real argument with real facts. This is refreshing too see on here. These stats clearly show why it'd have been ignorant to move on from Blake. He's shown he has the potential, he just needs to get more consistent and cut down on the turnovers. I've said it before but I'll say it again, I think Blake is in for a big bounce back year. I think he finishes somewhere around 35 total Touchdowns, and 12 INTs.

Blake's ceiling is a slightly better Eli Manning, which is solid. The big question is can he get there, and stay consistent? I think he is more than capable of 25-30 TDS and 15-20 Ints A year, that is solid IF your defense is good(ours is) and you have a run game to rely on(We should now). I think if our O line really gels(our major concern all along on offense) we can go places, perhaps 8 wins or so... Everything hinges on Bortles getting to an efficient level and our O line winning up front. Its really the biggest questions for 2017. 

I think the lot of us here would be ok with15 interceptions a year if half of those weren't back breaking pick 6's.

Quote:I think the lot of us here would be ok with15 interceptions a year if half of those weren't back breaking pick 6's.

His pick sixes are hugely exaggerated. He has 10 in 3 years. I think Rivers has more than that and Carr isn't far behind.

Quote:His pick sixes are hugely exaggerated. He has 10 in 3 years. I think Rivers has more than that and Carr isn't far behind.

My man, you cannot say that on here because that's speaking the truth and people want to believe any lie or rumor to fit their narrative about Blake Bortles as a quarterback. Hell, there are many people who are still saying that he was getting drunk at Beach Bars because they want to believe the worst about him as a quarterback.

Quote:His pick sixes are hugely exaggerated. He has 10 in 3 years. I think Rivers has more than that and Carr isn't far behind.

I think it's hugely exaggerated too on how many he's had but they mostly came at bad times.

Quote:I think it's hugely exaggerated too on how many he's had but they mostly came at bad times.

 

 

And moreover, they were mostly stupid decisions. I can understand a pick six where the WR slips and the defender makes an exceptionally athletic play, but in Bortles case, his pick sixes were often of the "oh my God, why did you do that?" variety. There was one stretch where he was throwing a pick six every other game on average.


 

There is so much about Blake's game that impresses me and has me thinking he can take this team the distance. That said, there are four aspects to his game that has me troubled and wondering. These are...

1. Will his arm consistently last through any post season contests every year consistently, and by "last" I'm talking about free from injury and fatigue so we don't go through what we witnessed last year, and at the tail end of his rookie season?
   
   
2. Will he cut down on the stupid pick sixes? Again, pick sixes happen in this league, but the dumb ones gotta go.
   
   
3. When he gets outside the pocket he tends to make some of his biggest plays, but on the flip side he seems to lose his feel for pressure while out there leading to lost fumbles.
   
   
4. Will he ever learn to throw a nice fade pass consistently.
   
   

Aside from this, I could make a much longer list of attractive accolades describing why I do think he has "it," much of which I knew since watching him his rookie season.

It has to be Blake. I know I make fun of him a lot but I'm also on board on wanting the "QB search" to be over.

 

If we don't hit it with Blake, we will re-live the last 3-4 years all over again. So sick of that

As soon as someone with cold hard facts show up, the haters got empty all of a sudden.....


How VERY interesting...

Can he throw a spiral instead of ducks. Throw footballs instead of rocks.

Quote:Can he throw a spiral instead of ducks. Throw footballs instead of rocks.

Can you read and write at the same time? Do you see how insulting that is to make fun of someone when in all reality he does throw a spiral most of the time. Peyton Manning threw ducks as well.

Quote:Can he throw a spiral instead of ducks. Throw footballs instead of rocks.

If you think throwing spirals is the most important thing for a QB, then your football knowledge is garbage.


Besides, Bortles CAN throw spirals - it sounds like you were hoping he doesn't.

Whatever you guys are selling in here, I'm not buying.  He's clearly got this year and everything that's been done this off season should result in some kind of a rebound for him.  If and when we're out of playoff contention, however, I wouldn't be shocked if Allen is given the reigns to close out the season.

Quote:Yes because of the softer defenses we were able to score.

 

 

 

 

 

It is just an observation as to how the games were played.

 

 

 

 

When ppl say he did so good in 2015 and regressed in 2016, I just dont see it that way.

 

 

 

Teams may give up yards in games they are ahead, but they aren't willingly giving up TD's.

 

Likewise, in garbage time, DB's are sitting on routes, and the entire D-line is pinning their ears back.

 

Bortles has had to deal with that as well, some of which is his responsibility.  Nevertheless, couple that with a mediocre Line and a bad running game, and you have a QB operating out of desperation more often than a gameplay.

The stats are comparable.  But its the intangibles where Eli and Big Ben have proven to win big games and perform at big moments.  I think Bortles still needs some experience in that regard.