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(08-10-2017, 11:22 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Since when was the comedian Seth Meyers the K? Just giving you a hard time, excellent post. People are giving Myles are hard time, but I think its a product of todays NFL. They have minimum padded practices, and for a guy who has had no reps in his career at MLB and very few college reps the guy simply needs more reps! I expect him to play much more going forward, he just needs time to get a natural feel for the position and get some bone crushing tackles in. Also, thought the receivers looked great. Greene may of had a very long reception on the one he drew a PI and had a long return, Cole burned the DB in his matchup and came up strong in special teams, and Dede burned his guy and also played well on special. Going to be realllll interesting what happens there. Could see a trade.

Tonight I expected a heavy dose of running to get that O line chem brewing, and thats exactly what they did. Marrone believes in consistency and reps so I expect more of the same. He wants teams to know coming out of preseason you better load that box on LF27, which hopefully helps Blake out.

Regarding Jack, I think you may have hit the nail on the head with this analysis.  To my admittedly untrained eye, the mistakes Jack made last night (seemingly false steps on one run and the bad angle on the other) in part seems to be borne of hesitation due to lack of experience.  Hopefully he will overcome this and improve with experience.

Though the sentiment seems to have turned against Greene, I was happy seeing his punt return and his ability to get deep.  Too often, achilles injuries ruin a player's career, because they never seem to have the explosive burst they had pre-injury.  Even if Greene ends up getting cut from here, what he put on tape last night will help him get another job.

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(08-10-2017, 11:52 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Ryan O'Halloran @ryanohalloran

During timeout, ol' Calais Campbell entered offensive huddle (on sideline) for a little motivational talk. Third-and-goal from 1 coming up

8:40 PM · Aug 10, 2017

^^^
Talk about leadership

I smiled reading this.

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(08-10-2017, 11:31 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]To add bullseye (not hijack) I think Nathaniel Hackett called a really good game. It's obvious our identity willl be to ground and pound and I'm ok with that but looking at the numbers he called a well balanced game and took the necessary deep shots. Something that was lacking under Olson.

This is what I saw when Marrone and Hackett were in Buffalo. 

Those two have a knack for keeping defenses off balance.

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(08-11-2017, 12:05 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]If I see in the third preseason game what I saw tonight I will be pretty happy. As of now, it's about what I expected. There are things to be optimistic about and quality potential young talent. These games also have the tendency to be deceptive have no significance at all on the season.

Yep.

Reason for hope, but far from definitive.  Running for over 200 against New England backups in the first preseason game is not the same as doing that against Houston in the first regular season game.

(08-11-2017, 06:03 AM)David4499 Wrote: [ -> ]The problem I have is 0/3 on 3rd down conversions from the starting offense... Whatever our 2nd and 3rd teamers did was against their 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Bortles proved again, "HE'S NOT THE GUY". His wobbling passes aren't like Manning's wobbly passes that stuck to his receivers hand like pine sap. Some guys have it, and some guys don't.

Fournette Looks solid.

Ngakoue is "THE GUY" on defense.

We still have kicking issues. We'll all be cursing our kicker when he blows a PAT in a close one, but drills a meaningless 60 yarder in a game that we're down 30.

Looks like we have speed at WR, but we all know who has to throw it to them... so yeah.

Hate to say it Bortles homers... Henne looks like a guy that's ready to play.

Dude Henne is garbage as a starter, yes he looked nice in a preseason game

Yall wanna bash Bortles for INT's, well Henne has never thrown more TD's then INT's in a season where he was the starter for the year, he always has way more career INT's then TDs, while Bortles has a lot more TD's then INT's in his career. Bortles last 2 season are better then any season Henne has every had, Henne is who he is, and no we dont want him starting.

(08-11-2017, 08:57 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]My only gripe for Bortles was that on a couple of his passes it looked like he had decided he was making a certain pass before the play even started, and unless it's because he sees single coverage outside with no safety over the top I don't like seeing that kind of thing. Throwing short to a guy running into a linebacker isn't a great decision to me.

I didn't notice that. I actually specifically remember him going through his reads and taking a check down when there wasn't anything else open.

(08-11-2017, 12:57 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]1) Cam Robinson had some real nice blocks in the run game. He made the hole for Ivory's run on the first play. In the pass game he was decent too. Lost the leverage battle a few times but recovered well.  

2) Patrick Omameh looked very solid too. I feel good with him going forward.  

3) Special teams looked great. Huge emphasis placed on it in the offseason. The field position and momentum good special teams play can add in a close game is very valuable.

4) Abry Jones and Sheldon Day looked lively against the backups. Day coming on as a rotational DT is looking like a pretty nice luxury to have.  

5) Only 5 penalties. Doug had a huge problem with penalties in Buffalo and they were a consistent theme of Bradley's era here.  

6) Keelan Cole is too talented to let go.

7) It's way early but I think the playstyle of our offense is pretty obvious. We're going to run the stones out of the ball , set up the big playaction shots to Arob , Lee , Westbrook etc etc and the rest will be dink and dunk with some screens thrown in.

8) Corey Grant, wheeww. Still only a bit part player because he can't block but he can do some damage on gimmick plays and screens.

1.  I noticed that.  Question:  Do you get the sense that Cam Robinson gets running game movement but is not a "destroyer?"

2.  I particularly like Omameh in pass protection.  I can't say at this point I am totally sold on him in the run game, but I like him overall.

3.  Special teams have killed us over the years.  Last night, they played a fine game.

4.  Day was so disruptive, he stuck out like a sore thumb when he got penetration.  Abry Jones is a pleasant surprise at DT.

5.  For a first preseason game, only five penalties was a welcome surprise.  I don't recall any dumb penalties either.  Most seemed to be effort penalties.

6.  He showed a ton of explosiveness.  No freaking way he's going to stay on the practice squad.

7.  JDR wanted to employ the same strategy when he was here.  Part of the problem is he didn't have the receivers to do it.  If he had these guys...sigh.

8.  Grant had that fumble against Tampa, but since late last year, he's looked better and better.   One of the things I liked was another decent run from him where he showed power, with a stiff arm and lowering the shoulder to finish the run.

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(08-11-2017, 05:01 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I'd also like to add that FB might've been a huge missing piece in our run game this year. The 4th down Fournette run and the long Grant run were also met with equally great FB blocks

Agreed.

It seemed Olson's approach relied too heavily on the defenses being spread out.

I think our current approach makes us better equipped to convert short yardage, sustain drives, and drain the clock.

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(08-11-2017, 06:07 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Here are some impressions I have:  

We are loaded at RB and WR.   We have some difficult decisions to make, especially at WR, where a couple of starters are in contract years.  We're already paying Hearns $10 million per year, and we cannot afford to pay both Robinson and Lee that kind of money.  

Everyone wanted to cut Henne.  Wonder what they think now.  

I think a lot of what we saw was the result of having so many padded practices in training camp.  Guys looked like they were hitting really well out there.  Usually preseason starts out kind of tentative, a lot of softness, but this year, it seems like the guys are already hitting pretty hard, especially the offensive line.

I thought Myles Jack struggled and looked lost at times.   Poz was so underrated.   I wonder if we have a contingency plan to put Poz back at MLB is Myles Jack can't pick it up a little faster.    Another thing I noticed was that Myles Jack is only 21 years old.  Wow.  

And oh, yeah, Sheldon Day.  Wow.  You never know who's going to become a Hall of Famer.  

Overall, I am very encouraged.   Of course, Brady didn't play, and I don't recall Gronk playing at all, but on our side, no starting CBs, and no Calais Campbell.

Agreed overall, though I think Jack "looking lost" is a bit of overstatement.

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(08-11-2017, 06:58 AM)mvannostran Wrote: [ -> ]Bullseye, to expand on your analysis, Fournette's vision was very impressive. Especially on that 4th and inches run. Fullback went left, he saw the hole on the right, cut back and took it what 7 yards?

Ivory started strong, but after seeing Fournette run, there's a clear difference between himself and the others.

You are absolutely right about Fournette's vision.  The guys on defense have been lauding his vision, and this play you cited proves it.

To me, that play showed the line surge in the running game that excited me.  If you get a chance to watch that game again, they had a ground level replay that showed inside, the OL blew the Patriots off the ball 2-3 yards.  Again, not the same as doing it against the Texans starting front, but encouraging nonetheless.

Matt Patricia's face when Westbrook blew the top off his defense.

Priceless.

(08-11-2017, 10:34 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Matt Patricia's face when Westbrook blew the top off his defense.

Priceless.

He had 3 facepalm moments...

Cole, Grant, and Westbrook all had explosive plays that had Patricia looking like "I'm glad most of these scrubs (the Pats D) will not be playing on Sundays"

(08-11-2017, 10:35 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2017, 10:34 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Matt Patricia's face when Westbrook blew the top off his defense.

Priceless.

He had 3 facepalm moments...

Cole, Grant, and Westbrook all had explosive plays that had Patricia looking like "I'm glad most of these scrubs (the Pats D) will not be playing on Sundays"

Cyrus Jones, by his own admission, had a less than ideal rookie year last year.  He was beaten by Westbrook and Cole.

He may go down as a bust for NE (not that it will, in any way, limit their chances of repeat this year).

One positive thing is how as the game went on NE had to adjust to keep extra blockers in to protect. Mainly against a 4 man rush. Towards the end of the game they only were sending 3-4 receivers to run routes.

(08-11-2017, 10:17 AM)mvannostran Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2017, 08:57 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]My only gripe for Bortles was that on a couple of his passes it looked like he had decided he was making a certain pass before the play even started, and unless it's because he sees single coverage outside with no safety over the top I don't like seeing that kind of thing. Throwing short to a guy running into a linebacker isn't a great decision to me.

I didn't notice that. I actually specifically remember him going through his reads and taking a check down when there wasn't anything else open.

On some of his passes he did, and you could clearly see him look all over the field. I seem to remember him throwing a quick short pass to a guy that was immediately met by a linebacker. Not sure why, but I figured he must have decided that's where he was going before the play started.

(08-11-2017, 11:49 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2017, 10:17 AM)mvannostran Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't notice that. I actually specifically remember him going through his reads and taking a check down when there wasn't anything else open.

On some of his passes he did, and you could clearly see him look all over the field. I seem to remember him throwing a quick short pass to a guy that was immediately met by a linebacker. Not sure why, but I figured he must have decided that's where he was going before the play started.

I think you are referring to the pass to Ivory.

I cannot say he made a pre snap determination to go to Ivory or if he is being coached to be more willing to check down.  However, given the approach the team seems to want to use, making Bortles risk averse is a good thing.

Remember the game against Atlanta a few years back where he drove the team inside the 20 right before half, only to throw a pick at the goal line and have the guy run it back 80 yards or so?

That was a 6-10 point swing with that pick.

If the team eliminates plays like that, we win more games.  Given the short field Bortles was faced with under the circumstances, checking down seems to make sense.

(08-11-2017, 02:34 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Love it Bullseye! I appreciate your reads more so over Johns write-ups.

I completely agree.

Looking forward to next Thursday at the 'bank.

(08-11-2017, 07:29 AM)David4499 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2017, 06:41 AM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]I hate to say this but your football IQ is dumber than Fred Flintstone in Bedrock lol.

Well.. where am I wrong... I'm mighty glad the guy that judges football IQ is going to teach me about football. I can't wait to read this one.

You basically blamed Bortles for the dropped ball....where were you right?

(08-11-2017, 12:09 PM)UCF Knight Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2017, 07:29 AM)David4499 Wrote: [ -> ]Well.. where am I wrong... I'm mighty glad the guy that judges football IQ is going to teach me about football. I can't wait to read this one.

You basically blamed Bortles for the dropped ball....where were you right?

There's about 3 of them on this board that would blame Bortles if North Korea launched nukes at Guam....

(08-11-2017, 12:11 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2017, 12:09 PM)UCF Knight Wrote: [ -> ]You basically blamed Bortles for the dropped ball....where were you right?

There's about 3 of them on this board that would blame Bortles if North Korea launched nukes at Guam....

This never would have happened if we just drafted Bridgewater. Basically Bortles is causing WW3

(08-10-2017, 11:16 PM)TealHammer Wrote: [ -> ]Quality post, Bullseye.

(08-11-2017, 02:34 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Love it Bullseye! I appreciate your reads more so over Johns write-ups.

(08-11-2017, 08:40 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent analysis as always Bullseye.

(08-11-2017, 08:43 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]Great analysis, I agree with everything you said. I noticed the hold on Fowler too, that was his most disruptive play and would have likely been a sack if he wasn't held. A shame it wasn't called.

(08-11-2017, 12:04 PM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2017, 02:34 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Love it Bullseye! I appreciate your reads more so over Johns write-ups.

I completely agree.

Looking forward to next Thursday at the 'bank.

Thanks a million guys!

(08-11-2017, 01:07 PM)mvannostran Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2017, 12:11 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]There's about 3 of them on this board that would blame Bortles if North Korea launched nukes at Guam....

This never would have happened if we just drafted Bridgewater. Basically Bortles is causing WW3

I forgot Bridgewater was actually good...


and if he had been drafted instead... if he wasn't good right away he'd be labeled a bust...
and when he went down with injury it would have been "stupid jags FO, always getting 1st round picks hurt/busts"

same ol same schtick

Granted it's one preseason game, but Tom Coughlin's return has done wonders. Been watching the Jags for years now, this team's attitude and presence on the field feels different this year.

(08-11-2017, 01:57 PM)Go Jagwaas Derp Wrote: [ -> ]Granted it's one preseason game, but Tom Coughlin's return has done wonders.  Been watching the Jags for years now, this team's attitude and presence on the field feels different this year.

I have no doubt TC has had some influence.

But I have to think Marrone has had the most direct influence.

HAHAHA, this guy...

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-pat...68/page-31

(08-11-2017, 06:03 AM)David4499 Wrote: [ -> ]The problem I have is 0/3 on 3rd down conversions from the starting offense... Whatever our 2nd and 3rd teamers did was against their 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Bortles proved again, "HE'S NOT THE GUY". His wobbling passes aren't like Manning's wobbly passes that stuck to his receivers hand like pine sap. Some guys have it, and some guys don't.

Fournette Looks solid.

Ngakoue is "THE GUY" on defense.

We still have kicking issues. We'll all be cursing our kicker when he blows a PAT in a close one, but drills a meaningless 60 yarder in a game that we're down 30.

Looks like we have speed at WR, but we all know who has to throw it to them... so yeah.

Hate to say it Bortles homers... Henne looks like a guy that's ready to play.

If there is true competition throughout, and including at that position, then I would beg to argue that preseason production should determine the starter (to coincide with the coach(s)' gauge from practice). May the best man win.

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(08-11-2017, 05:13 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]HAHAHA, this guy...

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-pat...68/page-31

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