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(08-23-2017, 01:55 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 01:50 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]So someone posts a rumor they heard and that's taking it as gospel? People are "clinging" to a rumor?

Everyone gets things wrong but this guy never said "they're trading for Smith. Book it."

It wasn't a rumor.

I know you feel the need to try to counter my point because I don't subscribe to the armchair GM mindset, but the end result is that there won't be any magical trade happening to fix the QB situation this year.  I think it's safe to say you can book that.

Lol

Armchair GM? Yea.... That's everyone on this board. Everyone speculates and comes up with ideas for what they would do. I don't believe there is a magical fix for the QB situation this year and never really claimed there was one. 

Lighten up Francis.

Osweiler is being shopped again....lol

(08-23-2017, 01:55 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 01:50 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]When you bring something Ryan O'Halloran was musing about with Alfie on Twitter, that's not a rumor.  That's someone speculating.

A rumor would be if O'Halloran reported that he's been told by someone inside the organization that Hurns is on the trading block.  He didn't.


The fact that you're asking about the cost of getting players who aren't being offered up in trade is the first mistake.  This isn't about being okay with waiting until next year.  Some here are simply acknowledging the fact that you can't fix everything in one off season, and sometimes you have to move forward with an eye on the future.  Doesn't make anyone happy.  

It is what it is, and this team isn't going to find an upgrade at QB via trade or free agency less than 2 weeks before the season starts, and any potential trade option winds up mortgaging the future for a short term fix.  There's a reason you don't see more trade activity happening this time of the year.  Teams value their draft picks.

How exactly do you know that Tyrod and Smith aren't available? Was it advertised somewhere that Sammy Watkins was available? These things are rarely public. The Bradford trade caught everyone by surprise. We're using logic of what teams could think given their situations. (Tanking and having a 1st rd pick play well behind a mediocre QB who hasn't won them anything)

I don't know.  Did O'Halloran speculate on that as well, so we can call it a rumor?  

Seriously, the Alex Smith "rumor" was nothing more than speculation by a writer at BCC.  Andy Reid made it clear 2 days ago that Alex Smith is their starter.  Teams don't trade starters.

The Taylor rumor is also nothing more than speculation, and that's fine.  Peterman is having a good camp, but I seriously doubt that they're going to throw him out there as their starter and trade away the guy currently occupying that role.  If (big if) Taylor is being dangled in trade, the price to go get a guy who isn't really a long term solution here isn't worth it. 

It's easy to play message board GM where you can say "Oh, I'd send them a 2nd and a receiver" for Taylor.  The reality is that Buffalo is probably going to be asking for at least one first round pick and then another high round pick to make the deal happen.  He's not worth it.  If we're in the market of trading away the future of the team, spend 2 first round picks and go get an unproven Garoppolo.  That way, when he struggles here, the message board GMs can talk about what a stupid move that was.

(08-23-2017, 02:06 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Osweiler is being shopped again....lol

Thats like signing Cleo Lemon again.

(08-23-2017, 02:01 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 01:55 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't a rumor.

I know you feel the need to try to counter my point because I don't subscribe to the armchair GM mindset, but the end result is that there won't be any magical trade happening to fix the QB situation this year.  I think it's safe to say you can book that.

Lol

Armchair GM? Yea.... That's everyone on this board. Everyone speculates and comes up with ideas for what they would do. I don't believe there is a magical fix for the QB situation this year and never really claimed there was one. 

Lighten up Francis.

You seem to be getting yourself worked up over my responses, so maybe you should consider taking you own advice.

(08-23-2017, 02:11 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 02:01 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]Lol

Armchair GM? Yea.... That's everyone on this board. Everyone speculates and comes up with ideas for what they would do. I don't believe there is a magical fix for the QB situation this year and never really claimed there was one. 

Lighten up Francis.

You seem to be getting yourself worked up over my responses, so maybe you should consider taking you own advice.

Did you skip over my "lol"?

I was laughing.... out loud.

(08-23-2017, 02:06 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Osweiler is being shopped again....lol

"rabble rabble rabble Better than Bortles rabble rabble rabble  Better than Henne rabble rabble rabble Send them a 2nd round pick and Arob and Hurns and Ivory and Yeldon and Greene rabble rabble rabble"

(08-23-2017, 01:32 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 12:06 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]THIS.
Not sure why everyone wants to trade a pick or picks for someone else's backup or throw away......
That rarely actually works out...

Here's a list of to be free agent QBs next offseason that will cost no draft picks.
Cousins, Brees, Stafford, Bradford, Josh McCown, Luke McCown, Matt Moore, Mark Sanchez, Blaine Gabbert, Tom Savage, David Fales, Teddy Bridgewater, Jimmy Garappolo.
I left out guys that I think are names not worth mentioning like Tolzien and Keenum and some others... but there'll be about 30+ options.

Now QBs more than likely to enter NFL draft are (in no particular order, leaving out Sophmores)
Mason Rudolph, Luke Falk, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, Jake Browning, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.

If Bortles is a complete loss (which it seems as of now he is) and Henne is what Henne is (which we're all pretty sure he is) and they really don't like Allen (other than filling a roster spot for no good reason) they will have plenty of options at QB. And probably in good shape cap wise and draft position to get who they want.

Not everyone is okay waiting until next year. And what do you seriously think Tyrod or Smith is gonna cost? I'd love Stafford/Cousins/top rookie as much as the next guy, but it's no sure thing either make it to FA or a rookie pans out fast enough to capitalize on our talent or at all. Give me the known entity now

Well girls... you better get OK with it. I highly doubt we'll be making any splash signings this season to 'fix' the QB issue.
I didn't list Tyrod or Alex Smith because as far as I know, they aren't going to be free agents unless they are cut. At which point the list just gets longer.
Capitalize on our talent now??? Have you been living under a rock? Firstly, we don't have that much talent at OL apparently, RB is still a big question mark, and the defense is a whole lot of ifs and buts....

(08-23-2017, 01:46 PM)Dewboy01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 12:06 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]THIS.
Not sure why everyone wants to trade a pick or picks for someone else's backup or throw away......
That rarely actually works out...

Here's a list of to be free agent QBs next offseason that will cost no draft picks.
Cousins, Brees, Stafford, Bradford, Josh McCown, Luke McCown, Matt Moore, Mark Sanchez, Blaine Gabbert, Tom Savage, David Fales, Teddy Bridgewater, Jimmy Garappolo.
I left out guys that I think are names not worth mentioning like Tolzien and Keenum and some others... but there'll be about 30+ options.

Now QBs more than likely to enter NFL draft are (in no particular order, leaving out Sophmores)
Mason Rudolph, Luke Falk, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, Jake Browning, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.

If Bortles is a complete loss (which it seems as of now he is) and Henne is what Henne is (which we're all pretty sure he is) and they really don't like Allen (other than filling a roster spot for no good reason) they will have plenty of options at QB. And probably in good shape cap wise and draft position to get who they want.

You seriously listed the McCowns, Matt Moore, Sanchez, Gabbert, Savage and Fales as possible signings next year?  In what world are any of those guys an upgrade over Bortles/Henne?  Cousins, Brees and Stafford will not make it to free agency.  The only possible player for us from your list is Garappolo who NE would like to re-sign to a long term deal...it may take more than they are willing to spend for a back-up QB - especially when Brady wants to play another 4-5 years.  If Garappolo decides he would rather be a starter elsewhere than the heir to the NE dynasty, we might have a shot - but that's a BIG "if".  If we can get him now for draft pick or two, and if our "braintrust" decides he's better than the QBs in next years draft, than I'd be in favor of doing it.

I seriously listed about 2/3 of ALL soon to be free agents.
I think I specified they were in no order like favorites or skill set.
And I didn't claim any of them would be better than any other... I just said the Jaguars will have plenty of OPTIONS that won't cost us draft picks (especially high draft picks)
They will still have the OPTION of using draft picks to try and 'snag' a guy like McCarron or Hundley if they really believe in them that much.
And there are no guarantees in anything football bruuuh... So saying there isn't a guarantee about these guys being on the market or a rookie panning out means you should never do either.
Also... no guarantee Alex Smith comes here and 'saves the day' or performs any better than Henne. Just because he was successful under Andy Reid doesn't mean he'll come here, pick up our playbook and be good.

Also... Brady plans to play til he's 45... so how big of a contract are the Pats going to offer Jimmy to stay as backup for 4-5 more years? I'm willing to bet Jimmy takes the money.
Also... Cousins/Brees/Stafford, one of those 3 WILL hit the free agent market. Bank on it.
Why? Cuz without a long term deal the franchise tag will put Cousins too high, imo.
If Nola doesn't at least compete for the NFCS title, I could see the Saints starting to move in a different direction.
Stafford wants big bucks... but has never put the team on his back and won anything worth a flip... I do believe Stafford gets his deal but I think one of the other 2 big FAs will hit the open market...

Osweiler behind our line would be like putting the Eiffel Tower behind a Pickett Fence.

(08-23-2017, 02:23 PM)David4499 Wrote: [ -> ]Osweiler behind our line would be like putting the Eiffel Tower behind a Pickett Fence.

So, a first round pick and players then?

(08-23-2017, 02:10 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 02:06 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Osweiler is being shopped again....lol

Thats like signing Cleo Lemon again.

OMG ... thanks for bring up the bad memories that I successfully tucked away after 28 psychiatry sessions.


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All a rumor is, is speculation. You're literally getting mad over the use of the word rumor. Wow.

(08-23-2017, 02:21 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 01:32 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]Not everyone is okay waiting until next year. And what do you seriously think Tyrod or Smith is gonna cost? I'd love Stafford/Cousins/top rookie as much as the next guy, but it's no sure thing either make it to FA or a rookie pans out fast enough to capitalize on our talent or at all. Give me the known entity now

Well girls... you better get OK with it. I highly doubt we'll be making any splash signings this season to 'fix' the QB issue.
I didn't list Tyrod or Alex Smith because as far as I know, they aren't going to be free agents unless they are cut. At which point the list just gets longer.
Capitalize on our talent now??? Have you been living under a rock? Firstly, we don't have that much talent at OL apparently, RB is still a big question mark, and the defense is a whole lot of ifs and buts....

Jeez that's a pretty harsh and cynical view of this team. I would certainly disagree on most of what you said, but you're entitled to your opinion. I believe that a Tyrod or Smith-led team, coupled with the cakewalk schedule, we would breeze into the playoffs. It's just plain denial to say we don't have an unbelievable defense and loads of talent at WR. This is not even mentioning a RB that has been referred to as generational...

(08-23-2017, 02:42 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 02:10 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Thats like signing Cleo Lemon again.

OMG ... thanks for bring up the bad memories that I successfully tucked away after 28 psychiatry sessions.


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Tell people to keep Ossy out of their mouths. Dont even go to pump number 17 at the gas pump. Stay away from it.

(08-23-2017, 02:44 PM)JAXsonVIL Wrote: [ -> ]All a rumor is, is speculation. You're literally getting mad over the use of the word rumor. Wow.

Inigo Montoya called.

Said to tell you "that word doesn't mean what you think it means."

(08-23-2017, 05:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 02:44 PM)JAXsonVIL Wrote: [ -> ]All a rumor is, is speculation. You're literally getting mad over the use of the word rumor. Wow.

Inigo Montoya called.

Said to tell you "that word doesn't mean what you think it means."

Rumor: a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.

I'd say that's spot on to speculation 

Is anyone else hearing the Drew Brees rumor?

(08-23-2017, 05:58 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]Is anyone else hearing the Drew Brees rumor?

I saw people talking about it on twitter. I don't see that getting done.

(08-23-2017, 05:56 PM)JAXsonVIL Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 05:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Inigo Montoya called.

Said to tell you "that word doesn't mean what you think it means."

Rumor: a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.

I'd say that's spot on to speculation 

LOL

• A rumor is a "story" being spread. It's something one hears and passes on. It is based on an outside source. 
  
• A Speculation is a theory one proposes based on one's OWN reasoning. 
  

I can't believe we're having a fifth grade vocabulary lesson in here.

(08-23-2017, 05:58 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]Is anyone else hearing the Drew Brees rumor?

(08-23-2017, 06:04 PM)JAXsonVIL Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2017, 05:58 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]Is anyone else hearing the Drew Brees rumor?

I saw people talking about it on twitter. I don't see that getting done.

I would be furious if the team pulled off this deal.

Not knocking Brees.

He was one of the few times I predicted correctly on a QB.

Brees is a deserving HOF candidate.

But he's almost 40 years old. Even assuming Brees accepted the deal, he couldn't be expected to be a viable QB for long.

In 2-3 years tops, we'd be right back where we started.