(08-22-2017, 09:31 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2017, 10:05 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]Responsible for ISIS? hahahahaha ... you really need to lay off the Sean Hannity.
What would Obama find objectionable to Trump's "policy"?
What is your version of how ISIS came to be?
You really need to start giving this stuff some thought.
You vote for and praise Trump as if he were a North Korean dictator - because he said he was going to withdraw from Afghanistan. Yet you criticize Obama because he tried to withdraw from Iraq (he created ISIS! he created ISIS!). You still pretend Trump is running against Obama - would someone please get Jared to tell Donald that the election is over and he won.
And without a moment's embarrassment you praise Trump for his "strategy" re Afghanistan.
Just admit it - you don't care about policies or his agenda. You voted for the anti-Hillary and this is what you got.
(08-22-2017, 10:55 AM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ]with all those kids you wouldn't think Trump knows how to do such a thing
(08-21-2017, 10:05 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]Responsible for ISIS? hahahahaha ... you really need to lay off the Sean Hannity.
What would Obama find objectionable to Trump's "policy"?
Watch the PBS documentary "Losing Iraq" Has nothing to do with Hannity and is a really good video to explain the poopshow that is iraq.
As I told Stroud - Obama tried to get out of Irag and is accused of helping ISIS. So people vote for the guy who said he wants to get out of Afghanistan. Would Trump be accused of helping the Taliban by the Right? Somehow I doubt it.
(08-22-2017, 11:30 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 09:31 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]What is your version of how ISIS came to be?
You really need to start giving this stuff some thought.
You vote for and praise Trump as if he were a North Korean dictator - because he said he was going to withdraw from Afghanistan. Yet you criticize Obama because he tried to withdraw from Iraq (he created ISIS! he created ISIS!). You still pretend Trump is running against Obama - would someone please get Jared to tell Donald that the election is over and he won.
And without a moment's embarrassment you praise Trump for his "strategy" re Afghanistan.
Just admit it - you don't care about policies or his agenda. You voted for the anti-Hillary and this is what you got.
(08-22-2017, 10:55 AM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ]with all those kids you wouldn't think Trump knows how to do such a thing
Watch the PBS documentary "Losing Iraq" Has nothing to do with Hannity and is a really good video to explain the poopshow that is iraq.
As I told Stroud - Obama tried to get out of Irag and is accused of helping ISIS. So people vote for the guy who said he wants to get out of Afghanistan. Would Trump be accused of helping the Taliban by the Right? Somehow I doubt it.
Please watch the pbs documentary losing iraq. It faults both Bush and Obama for messing up Iraq. Fact is we are not good at nation building, we are pretty good at killing terrorists. We then sink a ton of resources into nation building and it doesn't seem to work out. If Trump is effectively able to wipe out the taliban the nation building can come from within without another countries intervention.
Also watch Charlie Wilson's War it has some valuable lessons.
tldr; I get it you aren't going to watch any of that crap because you don't want to question your own opinion.
(08-22-2017, 11:47 AM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 11:30 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]You really need to start giving this stuff some thought.
You vote for and praise Trump as if he were a North Korean dictator - because he said he was going to withdraw from Afghanistan. Yet you criticize Obama because he tried to withdraw from Iraq (he created ISIS! he created ISIS!). You still pretend Trump is running against Obama - would someone please get Jared to tell Donald that the election is over and he won.
And without a moment's embarrassment you praise Trump for his "strategy" re Afghanistan.
Just admit it - you don't care about policies or his agenda. You voted for the anti-Hillary and this is what you got.
As I told Stroud - Obama tried to get out of Irag and is accused of helping ISIS. So people vote for the guy who said he wants to get out of Afghanistan. Would Trump be accused of helping the Taliban by the Right? Somehow I doubt it.
Please watch the pbs documentary losing iraq. It faults both Bush and Obama for messing up Iraq. Fact is we are not good at nation building, we are pretty good at killing terrorists. We then sink a ton of resources into nation building and it doesn't seem to work out. If Trump is effectively able to wipe out the taliban the nation building can come from within without another countries intervention.
Also watch Charlie Wilson's War it has some valuable lessons.
tldr; I get it you aren't going to watch any of that crap because you don't want to question your own opinion.
Why'd you have to show yourself to be a jerk with that last sentence?
You think you're some foreign policy expert because you watched a documentary and a movie?
I'm very aware of our past screw ups re foreign policy. Doesn't take a genius. What I don't see is you offering an opinion as to if Trump is a fool now or was simply a fool while he was campaigning. Oh - and Trump ain't "wiping out the Taliban" unless we plan on keeping forces there for the next fifty years. Which apparently is the plan.
(08-22-2017, 12:03 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 11:47 AM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ]Please watch the pbs documentary losing iraq. It faults both Bush and Obama for messing up Iraq. Fact is we are not good at nation building, we are pretty good at killing terrorists. We then sink a ton of resources into nation building and it doesn't seem to work out. If Trump is effectively able to wipe out the taliban the nation building can come from within without another countries intervention.
Also watch Charlie Wilson's War it has some valuable lessons.
tldr; I get it you aren't going to watch any of that crap because you don't want to question your own opinion.
Why'd you have to show yourself to be a jerk with that last sentence?
You think you're some foreign policy expert because you watched a documentary and a movie?
I'm very aware of our past screw ups re foreign policy. Doesn't take a genius. What I don't see is you offering an opinion as to if Trump is a fool now or was simply a fool while he was campaigning. Oh - and Trump ain't "wiping out the Taliban" unless we plan on keeping forces there for the next fifty years. Which apparently is the plan.
I spent 14 months in Iraq finding and detonating roadside bombs. I've followed the conflict. I've proposed 100s of people to watch that documentary and no one ever has, so sorry if I'm to the point of annoyance with asking people to watch it. If you have an opinion on Iraq in any sense it is a very good detailed documentary explaining exactly how we lost Iraq. I'm not an expert but I have had boots on the ground, interacted with the locals, interpreters, and the Iraq army.
How is he a fool? for disagreeing with how a major war has been handled? For attempting his own solutions to the problem which is actually quickly eliminating Isis controlled areas?
having an occupational force in Afghanistan just causes us to have a never ending insurgency, deal as much damage as you can to the head of snake and let the country handle its own business we don't need to be the world police.
(08-22-2017, 12:21 PM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 12:03 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]Why'd you have to show yourself to be a jerk with that last sentence?
You think you're some foreign policy expert because you watched a documentary and a movie?
I'm very aware of our past screw ups re foreign policy. Doesn't take a genius. What I don't see is you offering an opinion as to if Trump is a fool now or was simply a fool while he was campaigning. Oh - and Trump ain't "wiping out the Taliban" unless we plan on keeping forces there for the next fifty years. Which apparently is the plan.
I spent 14 months in Iraq finding and detonating roadside bombs. I've followed the conflict. I've proposed 100s of people to watch that documentary and no one ever has, so sorry if I'm to the point of annoyance with asking people to watch it. If you have an opinion on Iraq in any sense it is a very good detailed documentary explaining exactly how we lost Iraq. I'm not an expert but I have had boots on the ground, interacted with the locals, interpreters, and the Iraq army.
How is he a fool? for disagreeing with how a major war has been handled? For attempting his own solutions to the problem which is actually quickly eliminating Isis controlled areas?
having an occupational force in Afghanistan just causes us to have a never ending insurgency, deal as much damage as you can to the head of snake and let the country handle its own business we don't need to be the world police.
It seems to me Donald Trump is a clueless moron who convinced enough people that he's not as dumb as he acts.
Last night's talk was an empty hole - no specifics at all. He's just going to leave it to the generals and go play golf, I guess.
Although I never trusted Trump as to ever having a plan I did like his inclination to get out of Afghanistan.
It hurts my heart to see young men or woman return from deployment missing an arm or a leg. For what? I've never bought into the "fighting for our democracy" or "if we don't engage them there we'll have to do it in Kansas City", etc. They are there to kill Muslims, and whoever they kill there will be someone to take his place.
So, I was hoping for a rational, fairly short term strategy to get out of that hell whole. Oh well. Your grandchildren will now have the opportunity to see the mountains of Afghanistan. Unless things don't go well. Then I could see Trump having us leave in a week's time and blame it all on the generals.
(08-22-2017, 12:03 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 11:47 AM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ]Please watch the pbs documentary losing iraq. It faults both Bush and Obama for messing up Iraq. Fact is we are not good at nation building, we are pretty good at killing terrorists. We then sink a ton of resources into nation building and it doesn't seem to work out. If Trump is effectively able to wipe out the taliban the nation building can come from within without another countries intervention.
Also watch Charlie Wilson's War it has some valuable lessons.
tldr; I get it you aren't going to watch any of that crap because you don't want to question your own opinion.
Why'd you have to show yourself to be a jerk with that last sentence?
You think you're some foreign policy expert because you watched a documentary and a movie?
I'm very aware of our past screw ups re foreign policy. Doesn't take a genius. What I don't see is you offering an opinion as to if Trump is a fool now or was simply a fool while he was campaigning. Oh - and Trump ain't "wiping out the Taliban" unless we plan on keeping forces there for the next fifty years. Which apparently is the plan.
(08-22-2017, 01:11 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 12:21 PM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ]I spent 14 months in Iraq finding and detonating roadside bombs. I've followed the conflict. I've proposed 100s of people to watch that documentary and no one ever has, so sorry if I'm to the point of annoyance with asking people to watch it. If you have an opinion on Iraq in any sense it is a very good detailed documentary explaining exactly how we lost Iraq. I'm not an expert but I have had boots on the ground, interacted with the locals, interpreters, and the Iraq army.
How is he a fool? for disagreeing with how a major war has been handled? For attempting his own solutions to the problem which is actually quickly eliminating Isis controlled areas?
having an occupational force in Afghanistan just causes us to have a never ending insurgency, deal as much damage as you can to the head of snake and let the country handle its own business we don't need to be the world police.
It seems to me Donald Trump is a clueless moron who convinced enough people that he's not as dumb as he acts.
Last night's talk was an empty hole - no specifics at all. He's just going to leave it to the generals and go play golf, I guess.
Although I never trusted Trump as to ever having a plan I did like his inclination to get out of Afghanistan.
It hurts my heart to see young men or woman return from deployment missing an arm or a leg. For what? I've never bought into the "fighting for our democracy" or "if we don't engage them there we'll have to do it in Kansas City", etc. They are there to kill Muslims, and whoever they kill there will be someone to take his place.
So, I was hoping for a rational, fairly short term strategy to get out of that hell whole. Oh well. Your grandchildren will now have the opportunity to see the mountains of Afghanistan. Unless things don't go well. Then I could see Trump having us leave in a week's time and blame it all on the generals.
There is nothing Donald Trump can do for you to like him. You went into this with a closed mind. I understand that. I think he pretty well detailed the lack of specifics such as time-frame and troop count and if the reasons for this don't make sense to you, then that is your problem. You, and people like you try to pigeonhole DJT as some hothead who won't listen to anybody and that is exactly what he did in this case. He listened to his generals whom I am guessing are much more in tune with the situation than you are. Obama didn't listen to his generals. That didn't work out so well.
You do understand that what happens in that hell "whole" impacts the US as well, right? It is in nobody's best interest for these terrorists to gain ground and momentum.
(08-22-2017, 01:11 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 12:21 PM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ]I spent 14 months in Iraq finding and detonating roadside bombs. I've followed the conflict. I've proposed 100s of people to watch that documentary and no one ever has, so sorry if I'm to the point of annoyance with asking people to watch it. If you have an opinion on Iraq in any sense it is a very good detailed documentary explaining exactly how we lost Iraq. I'm not an expert but I have had boots on the ground, interacted with the locals, interpreters, and the Iraq army.
How is he a fool? for disagreeing with how a major war has been handled? For attempting his own solutions to the problem which is actually quickly eliminating Isis controlled areas?
having an occupational force in Afghanistan just causes us to have a never ending insurgency, deal as much damage as you can to the head of snake and let the country handle its own business we don't need to be the world police.
It seems to me Donald Trump is a clueless moron who convinced enough people that he's not as dumb as he acts.
Last night's talk was an empty hole - no specifics at all. He's just going to leave it to the generals and go play golf, I guess.
Although I never trusted Trump as to ever having a plan I did like his inclination to get out of Afghanistan.
It hurts my heart to see young men or woman return from deployment missing an arm or a leg. For what? I've never bought into the "fighting for our democracy" or "if we don't engage them there we'll have to do it in Kansas City", etc. They are there to kill Muslims, and whoever they kill there will be someone to take his place.
So, I was hoping for a rational, fairly short term strategy to get out of that hell whole. Oh well. Your grandchildren will now have the opportunity to see the mountains of Afghanistan. Unless things don't go well. Then I could see Trump having us leave in a week's time and blame it all on the generals.
Why not leave it to the Generals? They're the ones that know how to play the game. That's the mistake we made in Vietnam, Politicians trying to run the war and we all know how that ended up
And the endless war goes on another betrayal by Trump shocker.
(08-22-2017, 03:55 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Why not leave it to the Generals? They're the ones that know how to play the game. That's the mistake we made in Vietnam, Politicians trying to run the war and we all know how that ended up
Uh, I think that's what Obama did ... loving this Obama 3rd term
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Why not leave it to the Generals? Because their solutions tend to look a lot like wars.
(08-22-2017, 11:47 AM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 11:30 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]You really need to start giving this stuff some thought.
You vote for and praise Trump as if he were a North Korean dictator - because he said he was going to withdraw from Afghanistan. Yet you criticize Obama because he tried to withdraw from Iraq (he created ISIS! he created ISIS!). You still pretend Trump is running against Obama - would someone please get Jared to tell Donald that the election is over and he won.
And without a moment's embarrassment you praise Trump for his "strategy" re Afghanistan.
Just admit it - you don't care about policies or his agenda. You voted for the anti-Hillary and this is what you got.
As I told Stroud - Obama tried to get out of Irag and is accused of helping ISIS. So people vote for the guy who said he wants to get out of Afghanistan. Would Trump be accused of helping the Taliban by the Right? Somehow I doubt it.
Please watch the pbs documentary losing iraq. It faults both Bush and Obama for messing up Iraq. Fact is we are not good at nation building, we are pretty good at killing terrorists. We then sink a ton of resources into nation building and it doesn't seem to work out. If Trump is effectively able to wipe out the taliban the nation building can come from within without another countries intervention.
Also watch Charlie Wilson's War it has some valuable lessons.
tldr; I get it you aren't going to watch any of that crap because you don't want to question your own opinion.
(08-22-2017, 12:03 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 11:47 AM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ]Please watch the pbs documentary losing iraq. It faults both Bush and Obama for messing up Iraq. Fact is we are not good at nation building, we are pretty good at killing terrorists. We then sink a ton of resources into nation building and it doesn't seem to work out. If Trump is effectively able to wipe out the taliban the nation building can come from within without another countries intervention.
Also watch Charlie Wilson's War it has some valuable lessons.
tldr; I get it you aren't going to watch any of that crap because you don't want to question your own opinion.
Why'd you have to show yourself to be a jerk with that last sentence?
You think you're some foreign policy expert because you watched a documentary and a movie?
I'm very aware of our past screw ups re foreign policy. Doesn't take a genius. What I don't see is you offering an opinion as to if Trump is a fool now or was simply a fool while he was campaigning. Oh - and Trump ain't "wiping out the Taliban" unless we plan on keeping forces there for the next fifty years. Which apparently is the plan.
If our military were to be unleashed to do the job they were designed to do without political interference, we could wipe out ISIS, the Taliban, Al Qaeda in a timely fashion...The problem is with every enemy combatant we kill more jump in to take their place...If the military was allowed to do what they have been trained to do, the locals would get so tired of being bombed every time Islamic extremists popped up again, and living in a perpetual war zone, they would rise up against the radical Islamic groups themselves...It's not our duty to rebuild [BLEEP]! Bomb the [BLEEP] out of them, kill them, withdraw until they start their [BLEEP] again...repeat as necessary...
Nearly every POTUS I have lived through always thinks they have a great plan for things, only to find out when they get into office that there is a lot more they did not know than they did know...Classified info isn't available to people running, so no candidate has every bit of info needed to make a fully informed plan for anything and has to change horses in the middle of the stream...
(08-23-2017, 11:30 AM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2017, 11:47 AM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ]Please watch the pbs documentary losing iraq. It faults both Bush and Obama for messing up Iraq. Fact is we are not good at nation building, we are pretty good at killing terrorists. We then sink a ton of resources into nation building and it doesn't seem to work out. If Trump is effectively able to wipe out the taliban the nation building can come from within without another countries intervention.
Also watch Charlie Wilson's War it has some valuable lessons.
tldr; I get it you aren't going to watch any of that crap because you don't want to question your own opinion.
(08-22-2017, 12:03 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]Why'd you have to show yourself to be a jerk with that last sentence?
You think you're some foreign policy expert because you watched a documentary and a movie?
I'm very aware of our past screw ups re foreign policy. Doesn't take a genius. What I don't see is you offering an opinion as to if Trump is a fool now or was simply a fool while he was campaigning. Oh - and Trump ain't "wiping out the Taliban" unless we plan on keeping forces there for the next fifty years. Which apparently is the plan.
If our military were to be unleashed to do the job they were designed to do without political interference, we could wipe out ISIS, the Taliban, Al Qaeda in a timely fashion...The problem is with every enemy combatant we kill more jump in to take their place...If the military was allowed to do what they have been trained to do, the locals would get so tired of being bombed every time Islamic extremists popped up again, and living in a perpetual war zone, they would rise up against the radical Islamic groups themselves...It's not our duty to rebuild [BLEEP]! Bomb the [BLEEP] out of them, kill them, withdraw until they start their [BLEEP] again...repeat as necessary...
Nearly every POTUS I have lived through always thinks they have a great plan for things, only to find out when they get into office that there is a lot more they did not know than they did know...Classified info isn't available to people running, so no candidate has every bit of info needed to make a fully informed plan for anything and has to change horses in the middle of the stream...
Wow. You clearly favor The German Way. Fortunately we have civilian control in America, although you clearly would like to have it the other way around.
Please go view Dr. Strangelove.
(08-23-2017, 12:56 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2017, 11:30 AM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]If our military were to be unleashed to do the job they were designed to do without political interference, we could wipe out ISIS, the Taliban, Al Qaeda in a timely fashion...The problem is with every enemy combatant we kill more jump in to take their place...If the military was allowed to do what they have been trained to do, the locals would get so tired of being bombed every time Islamic extremists popped up again, and living in a perpetual war zone, they would rise up against the radical Islamic groups themselves...It's not our duty to rebuild [BLEEP]! Bomb the [BLEEP] out of them, kill them, withdraw until they start their [BLEEP] again...repeat as necessary...
Nearly every POTUS I have lived through always thinks they have a great plan for things, only to find out when they get into office that there is a lot more they did not know than they did know...Classified info isn't available to people running, so no candidate has every bit of info needed to make a fully informed plan for anything and has to change horses in the middle of the stream...
Wow. You clearly favor The German Way. Fortunately we have civilian control in America, although you clearly would like to have it the other way around.
Please go view Dr. Strangelove.
you must be one of those people who think they will stop trying to take over the world with violence on their own...these extremists are wanting to take over the world with their radical islamic agenda... Honestly thats what they want...The WHOLE WORLD!!! they won't negotiate, they won't back down and they won't go away until they get tired of seeing all their people dying....you really don't know much about them apparently which really doesn't bother me, it's just humorous when people talk about things they know nothing about and then make snide comments at the end of their posts... I clearly favor "THE GERMAN WAY"? are you calling me a Nazi? I favor the most effective way there is to rid the world of these terrorists which is killing them...Got a better idea on how to get rid of them? I didn't think so
(08-23-2017, 07:56 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2017, 12:56 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. You clearly favor The German Way. Fortunately we have civilian control in America, although you clearly would like to have it the other way around.
Please go view Dr. Strangelove.
you must be one of those people who think they will stop trying to take over the world with violence on their own...these extremists are wanting to take over the world with their radical islamic agenda... Honestly thats what they want...The WHOLE WORLD!!! they won't negotiate, they won't back down and they won't go away until they get tired of seeing all their people dying....you really don't know much about them apparently which really doesn't bother me, it's just humorous when people talk about things they know nothing about and then make snide comments at the end of their posts... I clearly favor "THE GERMAN WAY"? are you calling me a Nazi? I favor the most effective way there is to rid the world of these terrorists which is killing them...Got a better idea on how to get rid of them? I didn't think so
Man, you're obviously serious - what with THE CAPS and !!!.
You think they want to take over THE WHOLE WORLD and I'm the one who doesn't know much about them?
And no, I'm not calling you a Nazi - I'm calling you a militarist. And you really need to see Dr. Strangelove.
(08-23-2017, 08:49 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2017, 07:56 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]you must be one of those people who think they will stop trying to take over the world with violence on their own...these extremists are wanting to take over the world with their radical islamic agenda... Honestly thats what they want...The WHOLE WORLD!!! they won't negotiate, they won't back down and they won't go away until they get tired of seeing all their people dying....you really don't know much about them apparently which really doesn't bother me, it's just humorous when people talk about things they know nothing about and then make snide comments at the end of their posts... I clearly favor "THE GERMAN WAY"? are you calling me a Nazi? I favor the most effective way there is to rid the world of these terrorists which is killing them...Got a better idea on how to get rid of them? I didn't think so
Man, you're obviously serious - what with THE CAPS and !!!.
You think they want to take over THE WHOLE WORLD and I'm the one who doesn't know much about them?
And no, I'm not calling you a Nazi - I'm calling you a militarist. And you really need to see Dr. Strangelove.
you really need to research the Islamic Extremists (so you have some sort of idea what you are trying to talk about)...They are very careful to follow their Koran word for word in it's literal print which says (paraphrasing) to go out into the world and convert every infidel to Islam in every nation and kill those who refuse to convert...If you were to research Islamic extremists you would find that I am absolutely correct! REMINDER!!! This is ONLY retaliative to Islamic Extremists, not the general Islamic religion...
Now, I asked you if you had a better way to get rid of of Islamic Extremists which are commonly known as terrorists other than by military actions, you, (as I suspected you would), didn't bother to answer...Everyone wants to end wars yet no one can offer a reasonable answer as to how to stop aggressive actions by other nations and or groups of people who have no affiliation with any nation(s) other than war...
ISIS WARNING: World in FINAL STAGES of radical Islam masterplan to TAKE OVER the West "THE Islamic State plans to take over the West in just four years time, according to their radical masterplan. The sick jihadis’ seven-point plan to conquer the globe is in its final stages of "total confrontation" and a "battle between faith and unbelief”.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/597254/...al-Zarqawi
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